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Derekpen
Who do you view as a role model?

Where do you get your motivation from?

What do you do to improve your performance?

When are we going to realise a professional fee for a professional service?

Just some of the questions that have been floating around inside my head for the past five years. Back then i looked around the UK and found nothing that interested me. Three years ago I came across a magazine whilst visiting the USA.

Mobilebeat Magazine is directed at the mobile jock and gives industry product reviews and practical advice on skills and performance, written by succesful DJs that like to help their fellow professionals.

Check out the archieve reports at [URL=www.mobilebeat.com]
This magazine also promotes the industry with two DJ Conventions each year.

I have visited the winter convention, held in Las Vegas in February, and can only say that they are excellent. Much better than PLASA and better still you can offset the cost against your tax bill.

More importantly, the knowledge gleamed from networking with these professionals has helped grow our business and increase our profits and raised our standards immeasurably.

Has anyone else out there heard of leaders like;

Mark Ferrell

Peter Merry

Randy Bartlett

Steven Moore.

Finally I would recommend another forum for you to scrutinise in your persuit of excellence.[URL=www.discjockeyamerica.com]

I realise these are American sites, but believe me when I say that the americans are ten years ahead of us. They are an organised, professional body of DJs, who are now truly "Getting What They Are Worth"

Where are our Industry leaders here in the U.K.?
Dukesy
I would honestly say I was generally influenced to DJ by
Georgio Moroda, Martin Moore, Malcolm McClaren, Jeff Wayne, Trevor Horn, Vince Clark, Chris Lowe, Ben Liebrand, Pat Cowley, Queen, Paul Hardcastle, Kraftwork, Utah Saints, Cappella, Radio 1, Rob Hubbard, Jeff Minter, Akai, Korg, Atari and Commodore - and a Night Club DJ!

I think I was 13-14 when I got into music after attending a nightclub, so I suppose my then role model was this tanned, long haired DJ entertaining and giving the verbal.
I was impressed to say the least. I wanted to emulate the excitement generated by playing music to an audience, so I believe I was influenced 'visually and audibly' at the same time.
It hadn't occured to me to too much then about radio DJ's - I was a Radio 1 and Lazer 558 listener.

Then, between 1985 - 1990, I worked part time for a computer retail store and other similar companies. One of my managers was also a 'budding' record producer for the likes of Sinita and 'pop' groups.
The Atari 1040 and the Amiga home computers were establishing themselves - and I learn't about sampling and sequencer programs. Again, influenced by this knowledge and already into computers too, I dabbled with home recordings and 'tinkered' with other artistes music.
Not everybody knows but a few top records of the time used these machines as 'instruments' or for midi arranging - Midge Ure was one of the first 1040 users.
By learning how music was 'broken down' and arranged - be it in different time signatures or styles or tempo, gave me the motivation to explore the world of music through DJ'ing.

Mags wise, I read Future Music Publications for equipment info and software releases.
I've looked at UK DJ related mags - but wasn't over impressed.
I'll give them another look.

(But I think I said it before - it was THE SPINDOCTOR who influenced my interest in mixing!!!)

'In a persuit of excellence', I always try to entertain / perform, and better myself at every gig.
Having worked for top Agencies over the years, in 1997 I decided to go-it alone.
I'm happy and enjoy finding my own work and sharing the odd job here and there.
I've also found this forum a good 'string' to add to my 'bow' of knowledge.
To me, DJ's I've met, worked for or watched over the years are either not keen to share information, or, preach their own gospal on what is best.
The few who are 'straight' and friendly are literally worth their weight in gold! Fellow professionals! Yes indeed.

It's probably far easier to note the DJ 'cowboys' than the DJ 'leaders' in the music and leisure industry - but then, people always seem to remember the worst things in life - to gain knowledge and become wise, I suppose! Well, it's an opinion. 014.gif

Have never attended a PLASA show - but would like to. rolleyes.gif
Have never been to USA.....but would like to!!! biggrin.gif

Lastly, I get my motivation from the gig audience. All the time they want my services - I'll DJ or Sing as required. When they've had enough, I'll turn out the light!!! laugh.gif
I've had low fees and high fees for functions - but to me, the most important thing is :
"if I've done my job well - I'll more than likely get more work, after all, as a pro, your only as good as your last gig - priceless!!!

By the way - i'm gonna preach !
Check out the earliest form of trance music from 1977!!! Georgio Moroda - genius!
Derekpen
Interesting stuff!

You reinforce my points well.

Where can we go for professional coaching and training. You say that you strive to improve yourself at each performance but if we are honest with each other there is a limit as to what you can do. If you don't know how-to, how can you teach yourself. Also you would need to be extra critical not only of the things that need to be improved but also address the things you currently do well but could do so much better.

Every top sportsman has a coach!

Top entertainers take lessons in improvisation, speach techniques, comedy, timing and creative script writing.......what do we do.

Most DJs think they are the best.

Most DJs, when appraising a fellow DJ for the first time, will concentrate on his "Gear" and will criticise his performance and will be slow to praise the guy and congratulate him on a job well done...........................Why?
C.S
After over 20 yrs of djing abroad i will say thet uk djs are still among the best,i worked for Bacchus`Julianas who trained their djs but either way its experience that counts.Actually doing the job helps you create the dj that you are,courses are good but can stereotype djs.I learned mic technic at bbc radio cornwall and consequently was ridiculed when i came into club work as the same old bbc voice! As i move into my 29th year as a dj ,i admit that i still learn and am willing to learn everyday. I have confidence in my ability and dont feel that i need a mentor to shape me in his form. As for leaders in the industry,there are many,I would call Chris Pointon a leader for creating this forum and consequently spreading advice to at least 300 djs. I for one never critisize other djs ,i know how difficult it is and i know i aint perfect, i also feel that i am well paid. Just my opinions Derekpen,many of the worlds djs have got where they are by good old fashioned hard work and having natural talent. 042.gif
Loz
I think as many fellow DJs will agree, to do the job properly you need experience. I can put my hand on my heart and say all tracks that I play have been chosen for a particular reason, be it because it was requested or I'm using my knowledge and know this track will follow quite well. I am always on a learning curve and try to keep my choice of music fresh and individual. As mentioned earlier it's good to have forums like this where you can draw on a wealth of valuable information, it's surprising how little knowledge I have in some aspects of the job even after the 25 years I've been DJing!! I must admit there are a few DJ's in my town who think they are god, but at the end of the day I get plenty of work and have'nt had any complaints. thumbup.gif
The Spindoctor
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(But I think I said it before - it was THE SPINDOCTOR who influenced my interest in mixing!!!)


High Praise indeed Dan.................. what can I say but thanks, and its nice to be back in touch!! wub.gif

I'm always of the opinion if you can learn a little from every DJ you see, young, old, new or veteran, keep an open mind, and mix like you don't care who's watching or listening.

You'll never learn it all, but if you can entertain people along the way and 'enjoy' what you do, you won't go far wrong.
Dukesy
QUOTE (Derekpen @ Jul 7 2003, 05:47 PM)
Interesting stuff!

You reinforce my points well.

Where can we go for professional coaching and training. You say that you strive to improve yourself at each performance but if we are honest with each other there is a limit as to what you can do. If you don't know how-to, how can you teach yourself. Also you would need to be extra critical not only of the things that need to be improved but also address the things you currently do well but could do so much better.

Every top sportsman has a coach!

Top entertainers take lessons in improvisation, speach techniques, comedy, timing and creative script writing.......what do we do.

Most DJs think they are the best.


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Most DJs, when appraising a fellow DJ for the first time, will concentrate on his "Gear" and will criticise his performance and will be slow to praise the guy and congratulate him on a job well done...........................Why?


This does happen - I've heard DJ's slate others, and praise on the odd occasion.

But lets be clear on this.

Mobile and Club - the same and different.

When a mobile DJ has a good night - and the crowd enjoy the night, the 'DJ' in the crowd will either be on the 'side of the crowd' - and fair in comment, or biased because of arrogance and being 'in the crowd' and not behind the decks.

When a club DJ cocks-up a mix - the crowd either let the DJ know or carry on dancing....but the DJ in the same crowd always seems to have a different opinion....

Why? I'll tell you why.
Everyone wants to be the sum of something - appreciation.
Everyone wants to be respected.
But you can't command respect, and you can't always appreciate unless you 'sum-up'.

I echo the comments of Loz & DJCS59, but I also appreciate your points.

Yes, a 'One Stop Shop' for DJ support and training and Union, etc, would be fantastic - but is unlikely to happen.
Give me a grant of £ 500,000 from the European Social Fund and I'll start the UK DJ Factory with a National Qualification (and view for European expansion).
I'll take on staff - create jobs and create self employed entertainers.
Then I'll create the perfect automated telephone booking system to ONE national freephone number and agency out the trained, background checked DJ's.....length and bredth of the UK. One name, one number, set rates. Corporate uniform....
but it's very unlikely to happen!!!
I know what you are saying about coaching - I never had one. But I do and have taught others by passing on my experience to them. Free of charge.
Call me silly but these 'others' will never ever be me!
Please don't feel p censored.gif d if I'm coming across blunt - it's just my opinion.
This sort of subject can be milked and drawn out. Sometimes, I like to cut to the chase.
When I bark up the wrong tree.....I find another!!!!
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The Spindoctor
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Then I'll create the perfect automated telephone booking system to ONE national freephone number and agency out the trained, background checked DJ's.....length and bredth of the UK. One name, one number, set rates. Corporate uniform....


A sort of MaccyDJ............ "would you like lights with that sir"?

Sorry mate could'nt resist it was the corporate uniform bit !! LOL

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Dukesy
Oh -Suits you sir! Sauce Sir? Mp3 to go Sir? Laptop Chips and variety of dips switches???? 071.gif
Chrispy
Well you can't beat plugging another forum can you, especially from those who dedicate so much time on this one!.....wish some of this free advertising could be returned - mention our forum on any other and it conveniently gets deleted - maybe the effort could be returned Derek? -i've run a search for "Dj's united" on the aformentioned forum, but can't find your post?? rolleyes.gif


Right to your questions:-

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Who do you view as a role model?
- Anybody who is better than me, and yes like it or not there is ALWAYS somebody better than you. Arrogance or Ego has no place in this industry - neither does "older" automatically mean better.

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Where do you get your motivation from?
- My Audience - they are the reason I am still in business and earning a living smile.gif . We are service providers, and unlike BT we don't have a monopoly, there is always somebody waiting to pick up where you left off! - The moment you censored.gif off your audience and treat them with disrespect then it's time to sign on.

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What do you do to improve your performance?
- Personally I started a forum. I realised (as above) that there are people better than me, and that I can learn from their experience - I don't need a union to tell me that!. Being in a position (business wise), where I deal with 100's of D.J's all over the UK, I was surprised at how little information there was on starting a Mobile Disco in the UK - most Tec's and colleges looked lost when asked!, and the several "How do I D.J" enquiry emails every week slowly turned into 20 sad.gif I got fed up with writing 20 essays a week on the subject and started what you are now a member of. I realised that as well as learning from other D.J's they could learn from me.

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When are we going to realise a professional fee for a professional service?
- Around the same time as Northerners earn the same salary as Southerners - which indirectly I suppose means the same standard and cost of living wherever in the UK you are - i.e never.

Check out Government Neighbourhood Stats

Try a postcode from the South, then one from the N.E and compare the differences. Like any service, you charge whatever the local economics will stretch to. If you are working a mainly single parent populated area of say £10k average yearly earnings then you won't get booked for her sons birthday if you charge £200 - however a CEO earning £60k in London would pay that sort of rate. If you've never WORKED north of Staffordshire then you are purely guessing!.

Finally:-

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Where are our Industry leaders here in the U.K.?


The Name "Mike Moore" springs to mind, unfortunately he doesn't get the full support of the members his organisation represents (Are you a member Derek?). I doubt that the TVDJA has received 398 extra members since Mike came to this forum even though they are promoted throughout the forum, and on mikee's posts. Conclusion? = the Majority of D.J's sadly are not interested in anybody to represent them - which ultimately is why a full scale union will never materialise.

Needless to say...like DiscoDirect I prefer to be blunt but honest smile.gif
C.S
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Ian Stewart
however if we use a qualifacation then we will produce robots, not entertainers.

DJ'ing is not like Plumbers, electricians where there is a right & a wrong way of doing things.

with any form of entertaining there are unlimited ways to present an evening - all of them right.

you will never stop any one from being a DJ, even with all the unions/legislation.

pat testing only means your equipmet was safe at the time of testing, not 10 minutes later, this with PIL does not make you a good DJ it only means your equipment has been tested and you are insured.

what makes a good DJ is talent

as i have said before if you are good enough you will get plenty of work

if your work is drying up take a look at yourself rather than try to blame the so called cowboys within the industry mad.gif
rant over
Gary
I think the simple answer to where are our industry leaders, is:

Monday: Dog & Duck quiz night
Tuesday: Junior Disco at local school
Wednesday: Pub Quiz & Disco at the Ferret and Compass
Thursday: Young Farmers Barn Dance
Friday: 50th Birthday
Saturday: Wedding Reception at The Posh 'otel
Sunday: Sleep...until phone rings...

Part of the problem in recognising each others strengths and weaknesses, good ploys and bad ploys, great audience handling or lousy crowd reading, is that we're normally all out doing our own disco's rather than being available to attend other functions as a guest.

Thats why I think that DJsUnited is such an important communication medium for mobile DJ's. Its a sort of Open University for mobile DJ's.
Dukesy
More thorghts on Industry Leaders - DD Being Blunt...(tee hee!)

It's good that the chat is bringing views and ideas etc to the surface - but I can't help feeling that the majority of the members (the Dj's United massive) won't be bothered really.
On a plus side - once joined, members are free (within forum rules) to peruse the forum and post or add topics etc.
But it's like getting the repeat work. We need to be constant in our commitment of support to a really damn good site. To maintain the interest and have objective comments and input - remembering that there are many other 'readers' who have not yet joined (i'm sure).

Yes, we have personal views, but like our work, sometimes we have to say and 'play' what is best for the majority of others - for the greater good. (not a view shared by everyone I'm sure but I'm trying to word my moral point)

Whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion - say, for example, I use Pioneer and PC gear and like it, I don't think I have the right to insist that everyone should use it because I do.
The same goes for style of DJing or verbal technique or make of vehicle used for transport!

Talking about talent.......... this is probably one of the highest advantages of being an entertainer!!! - but if you investigate the subject - say, an experienced mobile or veteran club DJ to that of a budding Scratch mixmaster DJ - who has more talent??
Just because one style of DJ is very good at Drum & Bass Mixing, doesn't make them better than a retro classic radio presenter. Surely, this is an individual thing - merited on ones ability to do their thing - paid or unpaid.

On issues like PLI, P.A.T. and qualifications - well, unfortunately, we live in a society where somewhere along the line - common sense (which can never ever be taught!) was breached and not everyone has common sense......music to loud in volume, accidents, electrical fires, claims against the entertainer - it's a safe guard that tries to promote the 'professional' from the less pro (an insurance - I hate insurance. I think it's legalised robbery but I know the benefits!!!!)
Qualifications - why do we need a driving license? To prove we can handle a vehicle in a given situation and to understand the requirements imposed on our roads (traffic acts and law of the land). I don't think all drivers are 'robots' - far from it!!!!!
Yes, DJing is not like Plumbing or Building etc - but is it a trade? That's the $64000 question?
If recognised as a trade - (well, my Tax office presumes that I am a trader being registered as self employed - sods!) what shake-ups will happen? What are the benefits?

For DJing - how many major laws or acts are levied at them? Well, DJ's are entertainers and there are many requirements and obtainable 'qualifications' to improve one's personal position or performance. Be it health and safety, First Aid, audio engineering, Degree's, vocal training, etc.
So, if a venue where I work requires PLI and P.A.T., and I get jobs out of it - it's logical to obtain for my greater good and becomes an advantage over those DJ's without it, even though I remember years before not ever being asked for the likes!


I consider being a member of DJ's United as an affiliation to something bigger than I have previously been a member of (DJ related).
"We are the industry leaders. Unique in our work on a united area of work."
Without all our years of input into the industry - where would we be now???!!!
(Where would we be without bands, groups and singers?!!!)

So becoming a member of a society, association or Union will not harm the 'industry' as such, but in the long run, it will strengthen ones individual position in the entertainment and leisure industry. Why do DJ's join these organisations like Journalist Unions, MU or equity?
The downside is when our area is investigated by the MIB - who create red tape and tax us all to hell!!!!!

So come on everybody - lets make an evolutionaly jump and censored.gif everyone by becoming ISO registered and Total Quality!!!!!!!!!
GOOD NIGHT !!!!
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