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brianmole
What a strange experience from a so-called pro this weekend! From the weekend report, I put in this update:

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Whoa, what a night! 21st 100 guests, black tie, marquee in a field 50 yards from the sea, 3am planned finish.

It turns out this was a Ratpack theme, and the band was a Frank Sinatra act called Frank <name witheld, read on> who came all the way from Bristol booked through a different agent I know quite well. This do was near Chichester. We arrived at 6pm to set up with 3KW of audio, smoke, and all my lighting.

Problem no1:
'Can you fit in the corner? We've left you a space' No problem, just set up 4 x 500W RMS full range cabs - 2 near me, 2 other side of dancefloor, and very minimal lighting - 2 x constella Pro Twin flowers on a tripod (see photo).

Problem No2:
The generator people have left us no sockets for you except this 16A outlet on the generator. Good job I brought along my extension leads.

Problem no3:
With everything up and running, I am introduced to the Frank Sinatra act who tells me his sound man has let him down. No problem, I get the radio mic out and a portable minidisc player to play his backing tracks. We do a soundcheck and run through which tracks he will play, sounds excellent! Frank disappears.

I put on background music including some smooth jazz, ratpack music, Ella Fitzgerald, 5 guys named mo etc....8pm, all the beautiful guests start arriving, get tipsy on cocktails. 9pm the meal is served.

Problem no4:
My roadie Martin says Frank looks a little drunk, and has been asked by the father of the birthday boy to try and keep him off the booze! Frank returns, starts telling us a million jokes, keeps drinking despite Martins efforts to tell him to stop now. We all get fed, Frank choses to leave his plate full. Frank keeps hassleling me - 'am I on yet?' I keep reminding him he will be on after the sweet is served. Sweet gets served, Frank goes on. The man sings out of tune, misses various cues etc... Luckily, the audience think it's funny so far.

1/2 way through his set, the father of the birthday boy decides his time is up, 'let's do the speeches, and then over to you'. Frank drinks some more, and keeps hassleing me during the speeches. I then start the dancing at about 11pm I guess. We get a full dancefloor, I play every kind of music in my repertoire, 3am passes, and I finish on a heavy house set at about 3:45am with most of the lovelies still on the floor. During this time, Frank falls asleep at one of the tables, and the audience poke fun at this miserable sight, some posing next to him for photos!!

Despite the various isses on this gig, it was one of the best for me and for the audience, even got a £60 tip. Once we had packed up at about 4:45am amongst guests creeping into sleeping bags in the marquee, we hit the beach to see the morning start - this is truly an experience which is very moving, and I doubt wether I will ever forget that moment. If you have never done this, DO IT BEFORE YOU DIE!!!!



Now then, I expect to work with pros, some are pillocks, but this one got on my attentionwhore.gif frankly! He is quite well known apparently, but I have not identified him here as I feel I should not. I was booked by my favourite agent, this chap was booked by another agent I know quite well. What would you do? Submit a report to his agent? Send him the pics of Frank asleep, slumped in a chair in a drunk stupur?

Personally, I was absolutely gobsmacked by the sheer unprofessionalism of this chap. I kept my cool and carried on working the night as best I could. Have you guys come across others like this?

Discuss......

cookiecat
Perhaps he thought he was a Dean Martin tribute act. rolleyes.gif
Award Entertainment
I think I'd invite his agent out for a coffee and discreetly advise him of the problem by asking him for advice as to how to best manage working with the guy. Odds-on this isn't the first time. The entertainment industry has enough problems getting itself recognised as a bona-fide profession without this sort of carry-on. It reflects poorly on all of us in my opinion and I wouldn't stand for it.
brianmole
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I think I'd invite his agent out for a coffee and discreetly advise him of the problem
Richard, I have already sent an email to him with this in mind! Are you behind my back watching me type? laugh.gif



Was Deano a p___head then? 533.gif
cookiecat
Put it this way Frank was old blue eyes..Dean was old red eyes
brianmole
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Wicked, well the Frank I saw was ol' red eyes too then!
High Fidelity
I think I'd feel obliged to let the agent know that he should check the guy out. I would feel guilty if I didn't as he could ruin somebody elses function.
centrestagediscos
i would imagine the birthday boys father was on the phone to the agency, or will be first thing monday morning, if he did not pay the full fee in advance i hope he refused to pay the rest. but i would certainly refuse to work with him again.
BigBen
I think Centrestage is right - someone will complain, although you may be asked your opinion too. Failing that, an anonymous email, a phone call tip-off, etc. should do the trick.

We should also consider the talent as well. He must be good or at least have a decent reputation so, possibly, this was just a one-off due toi an unforeseen circumstance - he may have even told his agent in preparation of the flak coming his way Monday morning.

Still, you had a stormer!
YourBigEvent
As you did half his set too, and supplied the kit, demand half his wage.


Did you charge for PA ?
brianmole
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As you did half his set too, and supplied the kit, demand half his wage.



Good point, I was working whilst he was on. Too late to charge now thogh, as nothing was discussed on that front, but this is a very good lesson for next time I get asked.

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We should also consider the talent as well. He must be good or at least have a decent reputation so, possibly, this was just a one-off due toi an unforeseen circumstance - he may have even told his agent in preparation of the flak coming his way Monday morning.


Too true, I think he was very good when we did the sound check whilst he was sober.
Kingy
I had a very similar thing happen with a Robbie Williams Tribute. Sounded great in the sound check, then, following too many G&Ts, he was awful. Left his gear when he went home because he lived near the hotel!!

My honest opinion is leave it, its not your job to go to another agent and critisize one of their acts. It is no reflection on you, but if you do go to them, they may start to stir it up for you.A lot of agents work closely together. I would leave it.
Gary
On the night, I'd have mentioned the singers condition to the bar staff - they have a certain obligation, or at least responsibility not to serve someone who's had enough. (not sure if that applies to mobile/temp bars though.)

An unprofessional entertainer doesnt do any future hirers any good and can only taint peoples views and increase their suspicions and nerves about hiring entertainers in the future. I'd have taken one of the guys cards and contacted the guys agent, as a "guest" rather than the DJ.

If the agent was worth his title and at all concerned about the reputation of him and/or his acts, he would then contact the hirers (as an innocent follow-up call) and ask what they thought of the singer.

It would be upto the agent to piece together whether this particular alcoholic binge was "par for the course", or "the exception to the norm". As said above, the guy might have had some particular upset at that time only, which meant that he could'nt help himself. eg: Loss of a close relative etc. OK...easy to say "Dont mix business with personal" or "leave your troubles at home" but sometimes its not always easy.
brianmole
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On the night, I'd have mentioned the singers condition to the bar staff - they have a certain obligation, or at least responsibility not to serve someone who's had enough. (not sure if that applies to mobile/temp bars though.)


The booze was freely available on all the tables! He just took advantage. Maybe it's part of his act!
DJ SPARKO
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We should also consider the talent as well. He must be good or at least have a decent reputation so, possibly, this was just a one-off due toi an unforeseen circumstance - he may have even told his agent in preparation of the flak coming his way Monday morning.


true it could of been a case of dutch courage taken to far
Award Entertainment
QUOTE (Kingy @ Jul 4 2005, 10:32 PM)
its not your job to go to another agent and critisize one of their acts. It is no reflection on you, but if you do go to them, they may start to stir it up for you.A lot of agents work closely together. I would leave it.

I must admit that I don't do a lot of work through agents- perhaps only 1 job a year on average, but let me ask you this:

If YOU were this act's agent, would you want to know about what had happened? Would you take offence at the DJ who was concerned with the quality of service being provided to these clients?

Whichever way you cut it, this sort of thing impacts directly on all of us as entertainers and I don't believe we should tolerate it.
YourBigEvent
1471 (Agents phone number) and tell him, no need to tell him who you are, just a concerned guest is all you have to say.
No need to upset the apple cart directly
Ian Stewart
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If YOU were this act's agent, would you want to know about what had happened?


there is a good chance that the the agent is not the acts agent, but just one of 1000's of acts that this agent books,

and equally the act probably works for lots of agents as well
brianmole
I spoke with the agent who booked him last night (funnily enough, I was at Mikeees house when he rang me back). In my mind,the agent needed to know before the customer called him and complained. I know this agent quite well, so it was more of a chat about what happened rather than a non-productive slagging off session. As it happes the agent does not use this chap, but was specifically asked for him by the client!

I pride myself on positive feedback from all my clients, I also welcome negative feedback as a way of fixing defeciencies, and improving the show or the customer experience or my processes. This is what delivering a professional show is all about in my book. It's customer service. I cannot sit back and watch a drunk entertainer make a complete fool of himself. I would hopefully never make a mistake as big as this myself, but on the occasions when I have made mistakes, I have taken action to make sure they do not re-occur.

This is the magic of DJU, SEDA, etc... we can openly discuss potential issues affecting us and hopefully other DJs will take away some awareness of what not to do.
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Corabar Steve
QUOTE (Gary @ Jul 4 2005, 10:12 AM)
On the night, I'd have mentioned the singers condition to the bar staff - they have a certain obligation, or at least responsibility not to serve someone who's had enough. (not sure if that applies to mobile/temp bars though.)

This applies to all bars ( the licence has to come form somewhere & it's usually as an "extension" of a Licenced Premises
Gary
QUOTE (Corabar Steve @ Jul 5 2005, 08:24 AM)
QUOTE (Gary @ Jul 4 2005, 10:12 AM)
On the night, I'd have mentioned the singers condition to the bar staff - they have a certain obligation, or at least responsibility not to serve someone who's had enough. (not sure if that applies to mobile/temp bars though.)

This applies to all bars ( the licence has to come form somewhere & it's usually as an "extension" of a Licenced Premises

Thanks for the clarification...cheers! beer.gif >Hic!<


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