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ToXiC
I will play anything almost except for modern chart pop.I really really hate how cheesy and lame it sounds and would rather pack up and leave than be forced to play that. censored2.gif 1106.gif 9.gif

So to get round that problem I don't buy any modern chart pop in the first place, so if anyone asks I just be honest and say I can't afford to buy all types of music or just don't answer their request.

Well so far I've played 60's stuff,70's stuff, reggae,dub,dnb,jungle,house,garage,rnb,hiphop,techno,gabba,ragga,trance,hardcore
,breakbeats,nu skool breaks,chillout,lovers rock.

So what music will others refuse to play???
YourBigEvent
None, depends on the client though, obviously wouldn't play Eninem at a 80th birthday unless it wasa unusual 80th.
High Fidelity
Anything with offensive or explicit language, or that may cause offence to any guests.
BigBen
Likewise, I try not to play anything that could cause offence to anyone in the room (swearing, death threats (eg Gangster Rap), racism and even songs about weight - I Ain't Gonna Bump No More, Fat Bottomed Girls are good examples of great songs that can can be requested for the wrong reason.

I think you are wrong not carrying some of this stuff - modern chart may be abysmal but wasn't the music you grew up with abysmal to your parents too?
DJ_Ajay
Country and Western in the middle of a hip hop/ rnb set, in a hip hop/rnb club!!!! Get the picture you 2 drunk guys..... huh.gif (very true story there)

Oh and the zorba's dance thing!!!!
Chrispy
I play a mixture of everything really, barring Opera scared.gif .

Of course, like the above comments descretion and common sense applies and I wouldn't play Rap, Hard House or Crazy Frog request for the only 15 year old in the room at a Wedding, anymore than I would play a quickstep at a 13th Birthday.

For more specialised gigs such as Soul, Country or Rock Nights then I prefer to pass this work onto DJ's specialising in this sort of business. Yes, I can play the genre as a set at part of a general function where a mixture of music eras are played but I wouldn't set myself up to do 4 or 5 hours of it - the only exception being 60's / 70's / 80's nights and I do a few of these every year.

Fortunately I also do a lot of Weddings where by default I rarely have to play much chart stuff. I noticed Andy (ADS) used a very similar format to me the other night - the same songs just in a different order tongue.gif
Kingy
I totally agree with CP above.

Its all about trying to please the punters. I carry chart music, but do try avoiding it unless I am actually asked for a specific track. Its sort of there as a back up!

Other than that, anything goes, if I have it and its suitable.
cookiecat
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except for modern chart pop.

What are you going to play in 10 years?
I don't think you can write of all chart music.
(I would like to though sad.gif )
Gary
Its occasionally forgotton nowadays that the POP in Pop Music, stands for "Popular".

I gave up trying to ram up-front "culture" down peoples throats about the same time that my DJ'ing exploits turned from doing mates parties in their lounges and local scout huts/youth clubs, to regular work for clients.

Like any other industry, or business...If I was trying to sell red roses, when 95% of my customers wanted white roses, I'd get in more white roses, and only buy the red ones in when specifically requested (and paid) to.

Popular music all the way. (rather than unpopular)

I do draw the line however, at certain "Pop" tunes, like Crazy Frog, Mr Oozie: Flat beat, Teletubbies etc and that sort of drivvel...even if it did make no.1 - unless they were track which appeared (for some strange reason) on a Bride & Grooms "Want List".

Overriding all the above however, are tracks with explicit lyrics - I wouldnt dirty my speakers with it.
AJS Mobile Disco
I did get asked for The Sound of Music or Climb every Mountain fear.gif .
I do musicals but not at a dance a time and place for all things wallbash.gif
Anne
DJ Marky Marc
I just avoid the rubbish like "the frog" but depending on the gig I can and have played anything from a quick step to German Tecno.....

Award Entertainment
I've yet to find a song that I'd refuse point blank to play regardless of the function. If they are paying me to play the music they ask for, I'll play it and what's more, I'll even look like I'm enjoying it! I believe it's what a professional DJ has to do. There's a heck of a lot of music that I play that I don't like personally, but my clients will never know that!
Chrispy
You may have to have a re-think when 'The Frog' leaps across to NZ hide.gif
jackcu
I'll play most things if it fits. If the song has a few explicit lyrics and the crowd might be offended I tend to duck the fader to get rid of it - or better still, buy the radio edit. If it's full of them I wouldn't play it in case I get belted (see other thread).

As far as chart music goes - I buy tons of it. I do alot of school discos and kids parties and that's what they want to hear. However, I only buy songs that I think will have a bit of longevity - in practical terms this means I buy what I think of as "good" pop music. It's terribly subjective but it works most of the time. That way I can stick them on in a couple of years and they will still be popular (I don't always get this bit right LOL).

Cheers,

Jack.
ryandio
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So what music will others refuse to play???


None, as long its relevant to the event and clientele, I'll play anything from the Macc Lads to waltzes. It's as someone else said, today’s chart music will be the oldies of tomorrow and if you don't buy it, with this approach you will corner yourself into niche market that will shrink year by year and be susceptible to what’s in fashion at that particular time. If that’s what you want to do fair enough, but even specialist DJ's will carry some up to date stuff as a back-up.

Personally I'd rather be working all the time, and, I find playing different styles of music part of the challenge and enjoyment in DJ'ing, it would bore me stupid to play the same type week in week out.

There is a lot of the music I play, that I wouldn’t play at home, but most of the time when I'm working I don't listen to what’s playing anyway, I'm to busy working out what’s going to come next, finding it, cueing it and generally interacting.

Dynamicdiscos
The only music I refuse to play if music with explicit lyrics at childrens parties. Other than that it's up to the customer. Obviously I don't carry certain types of music with me and try to avoid taking booking for pure D&B, techno or garage sets.
Dj_Kray
Id play anything so long as i had it and thought it would go down well with the punters which is obviously very different each and every gig
Eskie
QUOTE (Dj_Kray @ Jun 9 2005, 04:24 PM)
Id play anything so long as i had it ....

See, there you go Kev, thats your problem mate, you just ain't flexible enough; surely you should also be prepared to play the stuff you don't have rolleyes.gif

Can't think of anything that I'd refuse to play... apart from Come on you reds by Man USA pooh.gif
Obviously wouldn't play anything with unsuitable lyrics when kids or elderly people were about.
Dukesy
I would not play Tindersticks music.
DJ SPARKO
woudent play such 'jokie' songs that have been badly re worked into a rude song such as....

mambo 69 hence the 69 bit being something rude along with the rest of the lyrics.

the yogi bear song. although i must admit i have played this but at the clients request and my opinion that the REST of the crowd are at a SUITABLE age etc.

and others like hi ho silver being 'hi ho you f*t b censored2.gif d etc etc
Corabar Steve
No explicit lyrics at kids parties or family events & nothing with lyrics likely to cause offence, dependant on crowd. Bike rallies ... anything goes, tho there's not much call for Rap, R&B, Garage, Jungle, or much of what ToXic refered to at these
Dj_Kray
QUOTE (Eskie @ Jun 9 2005, 05:42 PM)
QUOTE (Dj_Kray @ Jun 9 2005, 04:24 PM)
Id play anything so long as i had it ....

See, there you go Kev, thats your problem mate, you just ain't flexible enough; surely you should also be prepared to play the stuff you don't have rolleyes.gif


DOH!!! biggrin.gif
BigBen
The thought has occured to me many times that we all sit here stating we won't play songs with explicit lyrics or sexual innuendo...but I bet we all do, and probably at the majority of our gigs too.

The song I'm referring to is Greased Lightning. At least one swear word and two sexual references and I bet we all sing a long with it.

Anyone refuse to play this song because of its sordid nature?
Gary
Gwen Stefanni's "Hollaback girl" took my constant attention during its play, at Friday nights 18th party... theres a certain 4 letter word, (rhyming with "grit") that appears easily a dozen times in the song, which I had to "dump" (cd-deck feature, which plays the track backwards, while you've got the feature active, but doesnt lose its overall place in the track as you come out of the feature.)

This track's off my "self-chosen" playlist now - its too repetative too.

At least with "Greased Lightin'" the same word, which neither granny nor the parents of the toddlers/kids would appreciate hearing amplified over the speakers, only features once in the track, at the beginning.
C.S
I can understand this kind of censorship if most of the guests are under 10 but otherwise i wouldnt bother !
RobbieD
QUOTE (BigBen @ Jun 13 2005, 09:34 AM)
The song I'm referring to is Greased Lightning.  At least one swear word and two sexual references and I bet we all sing a long with it.

I've started using Nero Wave Editor's mute function to make clean versions of tracks where there is no censored version easily available. I've already made a clean version of this, muting all three words.

Wave Editor comes with the Nero CD recording software, but I only discovered it, and what it can do a few months ago.

QUOTE (Gary @ Jun 13 2005, 10:01 AM)
Gwen Stefanni's "Hollaback girl" took my constant attention during its play, at Friday nights 18th party... theres a certain 4 letter word...

This track's off my "self-chosen" playlist now - its too repetative too.

You could always just play the radio edit. Although, like all to may radio edits nowadays, the word "Sh*t" is replaced with "Shhh", which sounds almost the same, and makes it quite obvious what the original lyric was – hardly worth the effort, except for the fact that I can say I'm playing the clean version.
Gary
QUOTE (C.S @ Jun 13 2005, 10:18 AM)
I can understand this kind of censorship if most of the guests are under 10 but otherwise i wouldnt bother !

The way that I look at it, is that I wouldnt say the same 4 letter word 13 times over the microphone in 3 and a half minutes? I doubt that any of us would.

I wouldnt let my music say it for me 13 times in 3.5 minutes either.

I've No doubt that every 10 year old in the place would love to sing along to the song - very loudly in 13 places in particular, probably the only reason that they requested it in the first place. Much like Chubby Browns mutation of a certain song about Alice, is simply a good excuse for swearing in time to a beat - a simple feat which seems to help sell Eminem CD's when the accompanying black & white sticker is on the cover.
jackcu
I got asked for Akon a dozen times at the weekend - but I've not been able to get hold of the radio edit - all iTunes had was 5 versions all marked "explicit". Not sure I can be bothered to manually edit a song - shouldn't the record company be doing that?

Cheers,

Jack.
C.S
Gary
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The way that I look at it, is that I wouldnt say the same 4 letter word 13 times over the microphone in 3 and a half minutes? I doubt that any of us would


But neither you or i are pop artists singing/rapping on a cd, i believe its called poetic licence.,the morality of which is not for me to judge .
short skirt high heels
I had someone complain to me on Saturday for playing Steps' "Tragedy" at a wedding, because they thought it was inappropriate!!!!

That is the first time in seven years that somebody has made that comment.

Does that mean that it's wrong to play Tragedy at any kind of celebration?

On socond thoughts, don't answer that question. 533.gif
Ian Stewart
who are we to censor, if the client requests a song play it, after all is the night for our benefit or theirs.

Corabar Steve
QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 13 2005, 09:13 PM)
who are we to censor, if the client requests a song play it, after all is the night for our benefit or theirs.

If a song is likely to cause offence I think there is every right to censor, especially at kids parties. I'm sure I wouldn't want any kids of mine exposed to any un-nesecary profanity, they hear enough in the street without mobile discos adding to it. (& before you ask, yes I swear like a censored2.gif trooper)
Eskie
QUOTE (short skirt high heels @ Jun 13 2005, 09:22 PM)
I had someone complain to me on Saturday for playing Steps' "Tragedy" at a wedding, because they thought it was inappropriate!!!!

That is the first time in seven years that somebody has made that comment.

Does that mean that it's wrong to play Tragedy at any kind of celebration?

On socond thoughts, don't answer that question. 533.gif

Hmm, this is certainly one to ponder... is the biggest tragedy that Steps ever actually received a recording contract, that they covered the song Tragedy, that they failed to see the irony in their covering a song with this title or the saddo's that actually paid money for that 'record' rolleyes.gif
Chrispy
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If a song is likely to cause offence I think there is every right to censor, especially at kids parties


Agreed. Although at general adult functions this would depend on whether there were any kids present and the type of function it was. I believe that perhaps generations today don't think twice about profanity although the older generations would cringe. I know that I have to make a concerted effort not to swear in front of my Grandparents for example, but thats my choice, certainly they haven't criticised me for not swearing enough biggrin.gif .

I think there are some common sense boundaries, there are tracks which are dodgy but not profane in nature, and there are perhaps the odd tracks which contain mild profanity which wouldn't be noticed unless you had the lyric sheet in front of you. If these were popular enough tracks and floor fillers then I wouldn't see them anymore harmful than watching a 70's carry on film, or an episode of 'In sickness and in health' for example. However song tracks containing F:cense: you and Mother :cense:er wouldn't be on my playlist.
Corabar Steve
Although I wouldnt think twice about songs containing profanity at bike rallies, as most of the ones I do tend to be ones that the kids get left at home
Ian Stewart
QUOTE (Corabar Steve @ Jun 13 2005, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 13 2005, 09:13 PM)
who are we to censor, if the client requests a song play it, after all is the night for our benefit or theirs.

If a song is likely to cause offence I think there is every right to censor, especially at kids parties. I'm sure I wouldn't want any kids of mine exposed to any un-nesecary profanity, they hear enough in the street without mobile discos adding to it. (& before you ask, yes I swear like a censored2.gif trooper)

why not read what I wrote

I said if the client requests it,


Steve_Mitchell
I`ll play anything if am asked for it , however if it doesn`t fit the bill eg The floor empties I wiil only play seconds of the track.

Mr Blobby was pretty pants though.

Ste
Gary
QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 14 2005, 01:16 PM)
why not read what I wrote


He did, and he even quoted it verbatim. 533.gif

I would say that a DJ's common sense, and sense of morality has to prevail, even if it means talking to the hirer. scared.gif The old adage of "he who pays the piper calls the tune" is a nice guideline, but as ChrisP says common sense boundaries are needed.

If a B&G hired a well established, well known, renowned, wedding cake maker and agreed how many tiers, what colour, what stand and all that, and then said that they wanted a pound of salt chucked in, instead of sugar - I would understand totally if the cake maker took the time to explain to the couple with the unusual tastes, that errmm some of their guests may not find the cake edible.(Sp?). The opportunity for discussion has at least been opened and a solution can then be reached eg: 1 tier salty, 2 tiers sugar. I would understand The cake maker, being mindful of their established reputation even turning down the work, if they thought that 198 guests might associate their work with bad taste.

I've come across a few bride and grooms, and other hirers, who have asked for tracks which, in my judgement might cause offense and I've discussed with them, either on the night, or whenever their list was sent to me, if any tracks might cause offence, be taken the wrong way, or contained explicit lyrics etc.

Generally an agreement is reached - either the potentially offending tracks are ditched, or its agreed that they'll be played later after a psuedo-watershed, after any younger members of the audience have left, or the track is played after a verbal warning is given as to the content.

In all cases (and we're only talking a dozen or so in the last few years), the B&G/hirer have thanked me, either for pointing out something which they didnt realise might offend, or for checking with them even if they already understood the possible problems but believed that the risks were justified.

I've never got to the end of an evening without being on the right side of the hirer - its all down to communication leading to an amicable and mutually agreeable result.
Corabar Steve
QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 14 2005, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (Corabar Steve @ Jun 13 2005, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 13 2005, 09:13 PM)
who are we to censor, if the client requests a song play it, after all is the night for our benefit or theirs.

If a song is likely to cause offence I think there is every right to censor, especially at kids parties. I'm sure I wouldn't want any kids of mine exposed to any un-nesecary profanity, they hear enough in the street without mobile discos adding to it. (& before you ask, yes I swear like a censored2.gif trooper)

why not read what I wrote

I said if the client requests it,

I did read your post.

Hypothetical question: It's my 40th in a couple of years & I've booked you to do the gig. One of my favourite tracks is So what by the Anti Nowhere League & I reeeealllllllllly want it playing at my party that I'm paying for.

Guests at my party will include nephews aged 8 & 10 (by then) & my Grandmother & her 2 sisters (all still going strong & I see no reason why they won't be with us in 2 years). You spot them in the audience, what do you do?

& if the client is a 10 yo child who wants a bit of Eminmother censored2.gif em?? kid.gif Yes I know they won't be paying, but if it's their celebration where do you draw the line?



Anyway why are you so bothered it's not as if there's many profanities or much to cause offence in Soul music 071.gif
Ian Stewart
the discussion moved on from what would you not play, to music with foul language,

I would obviously double check with the client, if the client insisted play it. after all it is their party.

most children hear language like this anyway, they are not as innocent as you think they are.

so Gary let me give you another example, as you seem to like these.

I book you to play at a party for me, I tell you under no circumstances are you to play any cheesy party dance tunes like YMCA etc, but on the night you get 90 of the 100 people in attendance asking asking you to play it,

what would you do
ToXiC
I remember when I was on holiday once,in the big hotel garden where was someone's wedding going on in a marquee, they were played crude music totally unsuitable for a wedding. Roy Chubby Brown 'Living next door to Alive' and other Chubby Brown crude songs so loudly that even inside the hotel everyone could hear it. omg.gif 1106.gif censored2.gif oops.gif
I remember the hotel manager getting furious and storming about the hotel threatening to literally pull the plug on them. laugh.gif

Corabar Steve
QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 14 2005, 02:03 PM)
most children hear language like this anyway, they are not as innocent as you think they are.

Who has't read whos posts now?

QUOTE (Corabar Steve)
they hear enough in the street without mobile discos adding to it. (& before you ask, yes I swear like a  trooper)


The answer to your last question is easy, tell them that you're a grumpy git who doesn't like to have fun biggrin.gif

Seriously, I have encountered such a situation on a few occasions & pointed out that their host doesn't want any cheese. Most people will accept this quite happily, after all as you say it is the host's party.


Notice you didn't answer my questions

QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 14 2005, 02:03 PM)
the discussion moved on from what would you not play, to music with foul language

That is all I wouldn't play, I'm professional enough not ot let my personal taste in music get in the way of a job well done
Gary
QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Jun 14 2005, 03:03 PM)
I book you to play at a party for me, I tell you under no circumstances are you to play any cheesy party dance tunes like YMCA etc, but on the night you get 90 of the 100 people in attendance asking asking you to play it,

what would you do ?

What would I do, in this very different example - (after all, theres a grand canyon gap between cheesy and outright filthy swearing obscenities)

Same as stated above - communicate.

I would speak to you, show you the request slips that your guests were handing in to me for all their favourites which they want to enjoy themselves dancing to - and ask you how you wanted the evening to procede. If you stated "let my guests enjoy themselves", then I'd play their requests. If you stated "ignore the requests" then I would ignore the requests and explain your wishes/instructions regarding their requests, to those who come up to me with their questions of "wheres my request?" or "you've not forgotton my request for...have you?". If more than a handful of people started chasing their requests, I would politely explain on-mic that you, the host, has asked for only a certain type/genre of music to be played.

Again - communication.

Without communication between me (in your example), you would think that I was selecting music that you told me not to, rather than it being your guests requests.

Without communication between me (in your example) and your guests, they would think that I was simply ignoring their requests, rather than following your instructions.


By the end of the evening ok, either your guests wont have heard their requests, or you will have heard their favourites that you dont like, OR they'll be some kind of halfway/middle-ground...but either way - both you and your guests will know, through communication, the reason why the evening ran the way it did.
Corabar Steve
Well said Gary
Corabar Steve
Looks like we can breathe a sigh of relief now Jacko's innocent patriot.gif , one less on the can't play, won't play list


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