This was mentioned briefly(?) as part of another thread about a different subject, but I feel that it's worthy of a seperate thread.

Should the music industry, or some other body, try to regulate music downloads off of the internet...they've taken court action against Audio Galaxy and Napster, but will have trouble closing Kazaa, as its based on a prvately owned island outside of the usual copyright laws.

My own view, as I carry around 1 and half (ish) Rewritable CD's containing CDA (normal CD audio, not MP3) of downloaded tracks. normally about 30 tracks. As soon as a Now Album, or similar compliation album comes out, I delete the correspsonding tracks from whichever of the two discs... Why don't I just buy the tracks as CD singles? £3.99 each thats why.... and normally theres only one track on a CD-single that people want to hear...the standard Radio edit...which I can lengthen if the reaction is good, by using seamless loops.

If CD-singles were £1.99, I'd probably refrain.

I dont think that the music industry has a snowballs chance in Halfords (Sure I got that wrong) of stopping MP3 sharing/downloading, which is why some of the big players have taken on the "If you cant beat 'em, join 'em" approach.

HMV have been offering a download service for almost 8 months now, where you "buy" so many credits a month (approx £7 per month by direct debit) and use those 500/600 credits to download tunes, at either "auditioning" quality, for one credit, or a CD quality for 50 credits per tune, and various download/storage options inbetween.

Also Woolworths/MVC/Streets on-line (all the same company) offer a download service for albums that are "Coming soon", where you pay normal price for the forthcoming album, but can download it weeks before it appears in the shops. On the day of release, they send you the proper CD, through the post. And being CD, not Vinyl, it fits through your letter box, rather than on wilting/soaked on the doorstep, or taken away as hostage until you take the little post office card down to the local sorting office...

I think that ultimately, these legitimate MP3 download sites will take off BIG TIME. Looking at the way that HMV do it...think of the advantages to the retailer, and US the consumer alike... The stock is all virtual, they cant run out of stock, they dont need to have massive warehousing space, they dont have to "guess" how many items to order, theres no "postage and packaging", no "lost in the post", no damaged goods. And from our point of view...no filler tracks...no "DJ Smashy extended Club version" on track 2, sounding completely different to the version our punters want...

I live in hope that the BBC/Pepsi chart shows would do something similar...they already do it with downloadable (& chargable) ringtones etc...so they've got the secure payment side of things already up and running... I'd love to be able to "buy" each weeks chart new entries virtually, and download them legitmately to CD, as I hear them played. And the best thing is...the technology is here today, not 5 years away.

Gary i totally agree with all of your points i would also add that i would buy cd singles if they had instead of the said dodgy remix you never play i would rather there be the music vid and maybe a karaoke version and accapella versions. £3.99 is just pathetic.

I also feel there should be a official site for djs to pay for and download pre realease singles so djs can get them all i know there are certain cds you can buy just for dj promos but again you get a lot of **** on them.

WE NEED MORE INCENTIVE TO DO IT OFFICIALLY!!

Hi Gary,

Nice to see you're try to get the blood curdling (lol). A lot of "shops", can i mention Woolies, & WHS, do do singles at 1.99 and 2.99, so you buy 10, and prob only use 3, expensive day out that. Dotmusic (run by BT) do have a subscription service, but try and find a good track and when you do, you can't burn it to disc, and most of them have a time limit. Know doubt one of our more techy members will fill us in on that. I will, given the chance "mention" this.

My prob. is back catologue, sorrey sir thats been deleted, your options are then very limited, know what i mean 'arry.

I don't know whether any of the other "old timers" used to get APC's, now you have to be a club jock or on the radio.

Thats the answer start a radio station. (lol)

Oh! did someone call for a Techie member...? well he's out, so you'll have to do with me...

Time limited download tracks...eg: CD quality tracks, that cant be burnt to CD, only played from the harddrive, via some clever time limited player.... Hmmm

Well, HHmmmm no more... Theres a program called "Silent Bob" that is downloadable FREE (Yippee!) from the internet, and it simply records EVERYTHING that your soundcard "hears" to the harddrive in WAV format. So when you're listening to your CD quality, but time limited tracks from your hard drive, just happen to have "Silent Bob" running in the background. Cd quality is maintained, and the bulky WAV files can be encoded to MP3's easily by other programs.

There..another mystery stepped around...

Ooh you clever bugger.
Where was that site again

Again? I didn't even mention it once...

Try....www.silent-bob.de/en/

Its a tiny program...downloads very quickly....

First and foremost I really haven't a clue about this whole MP3 thing and untill recently had no interest due to sound quality.

But recently my curiosity has been aroused. Yesterday for instance I spent 15 quid on CD singles. The main reason being that my supplier of PRO DISC had sold out of the late issue.

I'd probably use the same approach as Gary, just a few tracks that were either new or I hadn't found on a compalation yet.

I've tons of questions on this whole area (and CD burning in general). Too busy to ask 'em all now though

I've never noticed this thread....

*Walks away whistling innocently*

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I've tons of questions on this whole area (and CD burning in general). Too busy to ask 'em all now though

Well Martin, you KNOW that you only need to ask... I'm convinced (constable) that quite a few members on this forum have some MP3/CD burning knowledge that they'd be happy to share... someone will let you know what they do, and how they do it...

You know, how they've recorded thier own "jamming sessions" with their own instruments, playing their own hand-written songs, and recorded it...

* Walks away whistling AT LEAST as innocently as Chris *

Now Then Now Then Whats going on ere ????

Oh I see you're actually going to mix them into 'new' Mp3's and then burn them as your own songs and mixes? Well thats all right then!

(Walks away whistling to himself as all is alright with the world and there are more important fish to catch)

Okay couple of questions that spring to mind are:

Once I've recorded my jam session as an MP3 do I need special software to play it on my CDN-88? Indeed, do I need to convert everything from MP3 to CD? Is this a lengthy process?

Do I need to purchase/download a player or is this done through the site I was buying music from?

To download effectively do I need broadband?

Thanks all!

To 'rip ' mp3 tracks from CD's and store them on a PC index them retrive them and send them back to burn a cd which is playable on CD players look at
http://www.musicmatch.com/
I use this system which is very quick and easy to use Try it free with a few Cd to MP3 files Then try it to download from one of the many mp3 sites.
It tags your collection into a music library by title artist etc.
You can find songs on your collection and then even send data to other DJ software Mixmiester if you want to.
See
http://www.mixmeister.com/products.htm
this will run a live mix of tracks for you

I should say a line feed out of your PC or laptop via say the headphone socket by mini stereo jack to RCA phone plugs into your mixer deck will give you a signal to amp the song

Martin,

As best as I can tell, the CDN-88 is neither MP3 compliant, nor software upgradable to be so. So, you'll need to burn normal audio CD's, EG: 80 minutes etc...

Many of the CD burning programs will automatically translate MP3 files on your harddrive, into WAV or CDA files, as you burn the CD. Although this sometimes slows down the process/burn a little.

As for downloading "Effectively"...it depends what you mean by "effectively"... A friend of mine thought that broadband meant "higher quality" as well as faster....the truth is, its just faster...but WOW...how fast.

I can start downloading some songs now (I got broadband 2 months ago) and hit "PLAY" as soon as it starts to download, and 4 minutes later, as the song finishes it last, dying, drawn out chord... find out that the download completed successfully a minute beforehand...

Imagine when you'll be able to get broadband at a gig.... " 'ere mate, 'ave you got the remix version of the current single by whatsit?" .... you reply. "Not at the moment, but I will have in 5 minutes...".

Thanks Peetee and Gary,

Gary when you say the Burning software automaticaly converts to CDA (CD Audio) doesthat mean I've then something ready to stick in my Numark? or would it then need further modification?

As for effectively, I just mean without interruption. I constantly have to reconnect on my aol dial up, if the phone rings etc.

As for player how's winamp?

Cd singles 5 quid, albumns 23 quid, and you guys are moaning, Average fine for using burnt cds in clubs in norway 5000-10,000 quid. Not fun if you get caught !

Yes, CDA files are what "ordinary" CD players, and CD-decks "see" as music files, So a CD with 25 CDA's burnt onto it, would show in your Numark (after a few seconds) as 25 tracks, each selectable and playable as normal.

As far as interuptions, broadband indeed wouldn't (normally) get interupted by "voice" usage of the phoneline. As I type this reply, I could pick up the phone and dial/talk, or if the phone rang, I could answer it, without affecting any internet surfing, up/downloading that I might be doing. EG: sharing my music jammin' sessions with a colleague...

with regard to download mp3 that degrade with time... the big film studios tried this in the states with dvd it didnt work.

someone will find the fix to stop it degrading anyway

QUOTE (djcs59 @ Jun 18 2003, 05:55 PM)

Cd singles 5 quid, albumns 23 quid, and you guys are moaning, Average fine for using burnt cds in clubs in norway 5000-10,000 quid. Not fun if you get caught !

i dont know who said £5 for cd single but at £4 its very expensive for what you get for your money. I totally agree that if you did get caught the fines would be greater but we are trying to discuss a better way!!!!!! not moan.

I agree cd singles are expensive . Another thing which is annoying is how many times the single actually gets played. I remember (back in the day!!) when singles used to enter the charts fairly low down and then work their way to the top 20, at least I could play the track a few times. Now, singles go in at no1 for say a week and then disappear never to be played again and then its 50p at your local car boot.

I know that this thread is pretty old, but I have something to say on this topic!

I used to be right into downloading music off the net. I have since seen the error of my ways, and being the law abiding citisen that I am, I have got rid of all my music. Now, I'm trying to build the collection back up.

What I would sooooo buy, is (like whats already been said) a compilation cd, produced on a regular basis or all the chart songs. That way, you get all the hit singles in one go. If your doing a school gig, or similar, obviouly the kids want to rock along to what they hear last night on the radio countdown.

Also, if I could download music online at the right price, I would most certainly do it. What the RIAA has totally missed out of all of this is that they have missed the biggest money making bonanza ever! Instead of turning on this filesharing industry they shold have capitalised on it. Say, even a $5 a month, all you can eat type deal. If 6 million people used this service, that is $30 million dollars a month!!!

Sure beats me.

Cheers

This is an area which has been covered several times before, and no doubt that the pros and cons will be discussed for years to come.

I agree with the basics of what you are saying, but it would have a major effect on other area's of the economy. For instance, if you make music (legally) downloadable then you bypass the requirements of:-

(1) The Many (Lucrative) marketing departments
(2) The CD Pressing Companies - no hard media makes CD Plants obsolete!
(3) A Loss of business to retail outlets who sell CD's

Quite possibly this would have more of a negative effect on the economy (loss of employment to 10000's?) and industry than the millions who are currently pirating

............And of course you start making that ammount of people redundant then there are less parties etc and less work for all us lot etc etc

In fact we may as well all sit in our "little boxes on a hillside and they all look just the same" I feel a song coming on!!

Spin

just as a matter or interest.... does anybody actually buy cd singles every week? Most of the time you know what it is going to be requested so none of actually buy the whole top 20 every week do we? I still think 3.99 is not a bad price to pay - once I have the single on comilation I then use the single as a prize... thus giving me an added bonus out of my original purchase!

If the speed of Woolworths download service (pay and download albums BEFORE their release date), and the size of HMV's pay-once-a-month-and-download-until-your-monthly-credit-limit-is-used-up) could be combined then I would imagine CD singles would be a gonna...

HMV's download service is great for filling in your back-catalogue, eg: Tunes which have been out for a few months, but you dont own yet. However, as their service currently stands, it takes 2 - 3 months for a new single to make it onto their system, ready for downloading. Obviously this isn't a "cant be done" technical issue, its more likely to be a contractual, or retail-driven restriction. EG: HMV would rather have you physically wander past all their tempting full-priced CD albums, DVD box sets etc, on your way to the tiny selection of CD singles each week or two.

I would be only to happy to pay a monthly fee for downloading the current singles chart each week. However, certainly not at £4 per single.

Also, I'm finding more and more, that whats in "THE" charts isnt whats being requested at gigs any more. The majority of my requests seem to be for tunes which are older than 3 months - some by a few decades...

Its time for the music companies to join in with the MP3 industry, rather than trying to batter it over the head with an off-cut of deep-pile carpet, from the last time that they had their company carpark re-carpeted.