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dfinn
Hi

I have planned a rig that i think will be ample for the venue I do 90% of my discos at

It will contain

2x dmx acme puma's or acme magic gobo moonflowers (probably the pumas).
2x source colour dmx colour changers
1x chauvet obsession
2x 1.5ft Uv lights, one each side of the sign which doesnt exist yet

hee is a design thanks to a friend with a talent for drawing in Word

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Will this rig look good?

Daniel
Dynamite Discos
Sounds ok on paper (perhaps some moonflowers instead of colour changers may pad the lightshow out a bit)

where is the pic?



-sorry i can see it now - my mistake i wasnt reading properly - i thought the acme pumas were scan/barrel type effects. Looks good
dfinn
I Think 3 moonflowers would be amply floor filling for the venue if they are positioned correctly. I would use the colour changers to give a wash and to act as a strobe with the other dmx moons. they would also add variety from the 3 moonflowers plus I could fit the thin beam lenses to act as pins spots on the mirror ball at the venue.

I have changed where the pic is hosted, can you see it now?

Daniel
joe
Yes, the picture is now visible smile.gif

I was just about to suggest changing where it was hosted as FreeWebs don't allow 'hot linking'.

The setup looks good. what lighting do you have currently?

Joe
dfinn
I currently use

1x chauvet obsession
1x twister 2 mk I
1x geni spark
2x 1.5ft UV's

I will sell the twister 2 and old ropelight but may keep the spark if i need a bit of extra light.

Daniel
YourBigEvent
I never sell my old lighting, you never know when you might need it, stick it in the garage for a rainy day.
Kingy
QUOTE (ADS Entertainments @ Apr 22 2004, 07:21 PM)
I never sell my old lighting, you never know when you might need it, stick it in the garage for a rainy day.

"wise words mate!" biggrin.gif
Award Entertainment
Daniel,

For school functions and some work parties that would be fine, but I'd go for a far more visually discreet option for weddings and classy corporate events personally. That rig looks to me like a cross between a fairground game booth and a nightclub DJ booth. Impressive, but intimidating and dominating.

Just my humble opinion of course! huh.gif
Digital discos
I agree with Rendezvous maybe for adult functions you might need to be a bit more discreet. put your lights on the two tbars which you have and place the tbars in corners of the room.

Maybe get some scanners/barrelss to add a bit of movement to your show?

Otherwise it looks fine!

I wouldn't advise a cloth like that maybe a black one which I have seen you use before
Award Entertainment
Further to that, I'd suggest not using any sort of signage for weddings or corporates. Keep it clean and subtle and follow up after the event with a 'thank you' and entertainment review. This will help build your brand in a far more tasteful manner and give you much better word-of-mouth referral work. Less is more.

I'd also suggest caution with UV lights. They are very much an 80's effect and have five major downsides:
  • They break easily and are bulky to transport
  • They show lint on dark clothes (both yours and your guests)
  • White lingerie shows brilliantly through sheer or loose-knit fabrics, embarrasing female guests
  • They attract every nocturnal insect known to man
  • They make false teeth glow obviously in some instances

Here endeth the lesson.
Gary
Possibly audience expectations vary internationally.

I've "stake'd out" alot of UK mobile disco's over the years and with a few allowances for "New starters" and Shape-of-dangling-objects, the diagram above is fairly "industry standard".

Assuming that the name on the front panel/cover is illuminated in some way eg: Front up/downlighting, or rear-lit, then the neccesity of a focal point is met. Something to tell the audiences eyes where in the room the disco is, thereby reducing (possibly eliminating) the chances of some semi-sloshed guest approaching you and mistakingly ordering drinks. rolleyes.gif

Once the audience has lighting to look AT, then they need atmospheric non-white light to dance under/in. This is where the overhead lighting bars, or tripods come into play. I realise that tripods dont need to be right next to the DJ, but some venue layouts pretty much dictate that.

However...as Chris has discovered and documents previously, his booking paperwork offers options of (and here, I para-phrase) "Quite a lot of lights", or "Lots and lots of extra lights at no extra charge"...and people rarely tick the "extra" box, just the "Quite a lot". It's just getting that balance right, which personally I feel is more dictated by room size, ceiling height, overall layout etc, rather than corporate expectations.

Certainly the way you set-up seems to work ok for you, at your venues, and for your clients. With that in mind, I would say that the same method and idealology would therefore work well for other DJ's in your area. Im not so sure however that the UK public would "go" for the same "minimalist" approach....(Hmmm, or maybe its just that the UK customers LIKE seeing the DJ make 40 trips back&forth with gear in the pouring rain... sadwalk.gif biggrin.gif
YourBigEvent
I agree with Richard that for more formal occassions 'more is less', I have never advertised my name on my kit as I (personally) do not like it and prefer to give people a receipt, that way they have my name on an official piece of paper and normally keep that and I think it looks more professional. I have made up 'offficial' ADS confirmation sheets, to go with the receipts, invoice and remittance sheet, they all look the same and can very easily be printed off, or e.mailled. Each has a reference number (make up the start of the number as 1, 2, 3 etc doesn't make it look as good) Mine started at 290368001 (my birthday 29.03.68 than the number of the invoice/receipt etc) I e.mail one of these EVERY time someone pays me anything, I then e.mail an receipt after the function too just to make sure.
dfinn
yes, I have DJF Roadshows booking forms which i write each boooking and it's information on. The sign was just put up by may mate on there ( he just used my logo) and I hadnt ever thought about having a sign before as if someone wants a disco they will come up and book me.

I probably wouldnt do corporate or wedding at the moment but I think you are being a bit over the top when you say the setup is intimidating and dominating. Look at other shows. They are much bigger and louder.

Daniel

P.S. My T bars wouldnt hold a puma and a colour changer as they wouldnt balance in weight and thern violate h & s.

the rig used there is a 4ft girraffe stand with lighting bar
Chrispy
Just with regard to comments on UV Lights...

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They break easily and are bulky to transport


That's true of the UV Fluorescent types certainly. However there is the UV Canon nowadays, which removes the risk of damage. The UV Canon is a ballasted 400W Mercury lamp housed in a sold metal case with a front grill (Similar to an overgrown par can). You get around 20 times the output of a conventional UV Tube, around 4000 - 12,000 hours lamp life, and no risk of exploding fluorescent tubes!.


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They show lint on dark clothes (both yours and your guests)


Agreed. And more importantly, what you probably wanted to say (but were too polite) - They also show up Dandruff biggrin.gif

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White lingerie shows brilliantly through sheer or loose-knit fabrics, embarrasing female guests


Enjoyable for the average DJ, but the self satisfaction of the average red blooded male, is nothing compared to the loss of business and humilation that they could cause. I must admit that I know at least one DJ who has bought said product purely because of the effect another indication of the people who are working in this industry, but they remain in business - often for many years.

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They attract every nocturnal insect known to man


I use a UV Canon at non formal events (Where the clientele' are more likely to be dressed in shell suits and sports wear - which are 60% of the functions around 'ere!) and i've never experienced this problem even in the middle of summer. True UV Light is used to attract flies in commercial fly killers, but I often find that lighting effects will just as easily attract moths and other insects as UV. In fact I spend a lot of time removing their baked bodies from within various lighting effects during the summer months.

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They make false teeth glow obviously in some instances


I've forgotten how to smile, so my dentures don't become visible to anybody!. smile.gif
Chrispy
I occasionally use signage, although neither my gear nor the vehicles are signwritten - this also helps to keep your contract safe with agencies!.

For my own functions I occasionally use a moving message display. Unlike some DJ's I don't put a rolling 20 minute autobiography on there rolleyes.gif , just the basics - name of the Roadshow, My name, Phone Number and invitations for requests. Putting a congratulations message for the person whose function it is, can also be a nice personal touch. (About as close as most people get to that fabled 'Getting your name in lights!').

I also use request slips and find these are very useful, both for customer feedback with regard to music, and for advertising the roadshow. I've had several bookings recently from these. Since I create them myself on a laser printer / photocopier, I am able to customise them for regular resident bookings (With the hotel's details on there for booking the function room etc) this has stood me in good stead with the management of these venues!. I also have a supply of them overprinted with the agency details, so i'm not breaking any contracts, I only work for 2, so its not a big job to convert them.

As Gary mentioned, I give EVERY customer the choice of lighting which they get. Either on my online booking form, or on a written form for telephone bookings. I've done this successfully since around June 2003, and the results, for me, are conclusive. Mainly that the average client does not give a damn about how much lighting you have!. Given the options (at no additional charge) of Nightclub Lighting, Standard Lightshow or Subtle Lightshow - 90% of clients go for either Standard or Subtle - there is no default setting, they have to physically chose, and given the choice they opt NOT to have a lot of lighting.

On the same form, is the option of using a smoke machine. When Given the CHOICE, only 5% of my clients who book, actually REQUEST the use of a fogger. Now I think that says a lot!. I believe in giving my clients say in almost every aspect of their booking from music to lightshow. Okay so Fog makes my lights look pretty, but it wouldn't be at the choice of 95% of my clients, and its not my function its theirs smile.gif . Try giving your own clients the choice, chances are you'll find that the £2000 and trailor load of lights that you are lugging around are superfluous.

I think that both Self contained lighting gantries, and T-Bar's have their merits. I have both but prefer the use of a deck / lighting gantry, myself, and I certainly don't find it dominating, but then again I don't set it at a height where it hides me either! rolleyes.gif . Certainly the stand is more secure than T-bar's and gives a good platform for mounting a starcloth, which in turn hides the wires.

I do also use T-Bars at some functions , however placing them around a room gives rise to problems such as running very long DMX Link leads around the room. Then having to walk around the perimeter switching off each T-Bar in turn during Buffett breaks for example. I have used these before in larger rooms with 4 T-Bars positioned around the perimeter of the dancefloor with each T-bar holding a Datamoon and a couple of PAR Cans. The ambient effect is excellent and the effect from 1 T-Bar is shown on the piccie below, (no smoke was used, this is just the ambient smoke from guests ciggies showing that you can still be creative and get a good effect without a fogger nono.gif )

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To make connecting it all up easier, I use a single cable which uses combined multicore mains and DMX Cable, expensive, but meaning that only one cable does the tour around the room, and the lights can be switched/ dimmed / controlled all from behind the DJ Console.

However, I still prefer the Gantry approach and this is the one I use for most functions. The effect is just as good with less setting up. Believe it or not there is only 5 effects on the photo below, but it amply covers a local Police 'space scheme' gig with 800 Under 18's, it can look impressive and easily can be done on a budget of far less than £1000.

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For most adult functions, I use the Gantry with more subtle lighting, usually consisting of colour changers and moonflower effects. I still don't recommend the use of Scanners or Barrel Mirror type effects at functions were guests will be seated, since they are very difficult to control and can light spillage can easily annoy people who are seated and trying to talk to the person at the opposite end of the table. The effect (for them) is similar to driving along a road with the sun catching you through the windscreen!,
Paul Forsyth
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I think these lighting topics are really good, especially for any newbies, as a lot of money can be spent in this area on lights and effects that you may regret buying and rearely if ever use ie bubble machines and strobes (guilty on both counts m'lord).

I'm really still honing my lighting and think I'm getting there now but have wasted some money on a couple of cheaper lights which could have been better spent on colour changers.

Some good stuff in here (as always)

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Vinnie
YourBigEvent
Wise word mate.........

Wanna buy some cheap lighting, just found 9 lighting effectsin my garage
Award Entertainment
QUOTE (Chris_Pointon @ Apr 23 2004, 09:26 PM)
Try giving your own clients the choice, chances are you'll find that the £2000 and trailor load of lights that you are lugging around are superfluous.

That's exactly whay I've found, particularly at events where 'elegant' rether than 'spectacular' describes the organiser's profile, such as with 99% of wedding and classy Corporate events. If the client wants 'nightclub', I'll give 'em nightclub!

QUOTE (Chris_Pointon @ Apr 23 2004, 09:26 PM)
(no smoke was used, this is just the ambient smoke from guests ciggies showing that you can still be creative and get a good effect without a fogger

Now there is a huge difference here between the UK and New Zealand. In NZ it's soon becoming illegal (yes, illegal!) to smoke in any function venue, bar, restaurant, place of work, public transportation, etc. Smoking is rapidly becoming socially unacceptable here and I seldom go home from a function with my clothes and hair smelling of cigarette smoke any more. Ten years ago it was a very different story, but now you see smokers gathered outside office buildings all over the country, standing in the cold, putting another nail in the coffin. I seldom use a fogger as it carries those same unhealthy connotations in many people's subconsciousness thoughts.

Interesting huh?
Chrispy
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Now there is a huge difference here between the UK and New Zealand. In NZ it's soon becoming illegal (yes, illegal!) to smoke in any function venue, bar, restaurant, place of work, public transportation, etc. Smoking is rapidly becoming socially unacceptable here and I seldom go home from a function with my clothes and hair smelling of cigarette smoke any more


Slightly offtopic.gif , but as a non smoker, I strongly agree with this philosophy, one which has also been recently adopted in Ireland. There have been instances of Entertainers being diagnosed with Cancer & other Smoking Related Ailments etc (The late Roy Castle being the most prominent). I often wonder how this risk would fair in a personal 'risk assessment' huh Mikeee? smile.gif .

Yes, we work in smokey Environments by choice, but smoking is actually banned in most workplaces in the UK Already, so why should our environment be treated any differently?.

It's all about finding a compromise, since Adults should be able to make the choice of being able to smoke or not to smoke, but equally non smokers and those who work in that environment have rights and choices as well, and we aren't talking about spreading germs and colds here, we are talking about life threatening diseases. I'm just glad that I don't have to enforce any laws with regard to this, and wonder if / how it will be enforced by landlords IF it gets passed in the UK, and how will it affect the DJ's who do smoke?.
Kingy
Lighting can, as has already been stated, make a complete nuisance of itself for seated guests.

I don't think I ever use exactly the same set up twice, there is always something I fancy changing.

Tonight's lighting is simply a pair of Cabret Colours!
Digital discos
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P.S. My T bars wouldnt hold a puma and a colour changer as they wouldnt balance in weight and thern violate h & s.


Surely you could balance them out? I.E put the heavier light nearer the inside of the bar and the lighter one nearer the outside of the bar. Sorry to sound patronising but surely you could balance them couldn't you or is there a major weight difference?
Mikeh
Hey

Ive found lighting quite a funny issue around here. Most people in this area that book discos are for weddings and birthdays, now 9/10 clients here are less than 30 and actually ask for the nightclub feel hence the 8 colourscans I carry if needed.

One thing I have found tho is it works best to spend a little time on the lights and syncing them in as the night goes on, for example at the start of the night I use par cans and 2 simple moonflowers to produce bright, cheerful dancefloor. As we progress and eventually more and more are dancing we then switch the par/cans and moonflowers off and turn on the scanners and laser with dramatic effect.

I have also had many functions were a client has said they didnt want a smoke machine only to be asked why there are no beams on the lights in a no smoking venue, after explaining what a fogger can do they told me to give it a single 10s burst and they were addictive, smoke machines have a bad name due to some DJ's using them direct at guests making them cough, this just isnt the way to do it!

I must admit tho that the events for companies etc do require much more subtle and not so bright lighting thats tucked out the way and only effects the dance floor, in my case the moonflowers and the par cans.

It changes everytime, dependant on the client, I carry all my gear with me as it fits in the van and 8/10 set most of it up, I can from then work out what needs to go on and when depending on the situation. For example most people dont like scanners but they make amazing spot lights!!!


Just my experiences
Mike
dfinn
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P.S. My T bars wouldnt hold a puma and a colour changer as they wouldnt balance in weight and thern violate h & s.



Surely you could balance them out? I.E put the heavier light nearer the inside of the bar and the lighter one nearer the outside of the bar. Sorry to sound patronising but surely you could balance them couldn't you or is there a major weight difference?


I could but i think the t bars would still be unstable, I will just fix my two T bars together and have the layout on the diagram i showed you all before.

Then i could change to a 4ft stand and lighting bar when i can afford.

Daniel
kazzachi
Daniel,
I think your frame looks fine.. I used to use one and they are neat and practical. Remember that people are only giving you opinions..... if you are happy with it - then thats all that matters.

I dont know how many weddings Mikeh has done, but I would tend to disagree that people expect a nightclub effect for weddings - whether or not the bride or groom are under 30 im sure that the majority of the families arent! In fact I think the reverse if true of what he says - more subtle for weddings, more lighting for corporate. Ive never come across anyone commenting that they cant see "the beams" at a wedding... in fact, I dont think I have ever had any comments made about lighting whatsoever at a wedding.... the people are more concerned with the music rather than the lighting. In the main, its only "other djs" who tend to comment on your lighting - as long as you have got a couple of good effects, positioned well, that is all you need..... and believe me, this is coming from someone who has an extremely large nightclub rig hosting some 16 martin roboscans and a heap of other lights to boot! Abstract Twister 4s are a really good light - perfect for weddings.
DJGAVT
For 80% of the weddings I do all I ever need are my 2 Martin Acrobats and my star clothe wich I work to the side of. This is very nice looking and does every thing I could want it to. The Martin Acrobats are not so bright they would blind anyone unless you stand bang in front of them and look at the barel.

So I wouldnt agree that barrel effects are the same as scanners. I have 4 scanners and only use them if the client wants a nightclub effect, as i think someone else said.

The other option I have tried is putting the scanners on the far side of the dance floor pointing at me meaning the only people that get the effect are the dancers. biggrin.gif

I never work with my lights over me as I think it does make you cut of from the dance floor. If space is tight my lights are ALWAYS behind me.

nrgize
I think setup would look good!
But quite a lot I cheat and only take 1 T-Bar out and mount 2 Martin Egos positioned on the floor, and 2 Adventurers on the back wall. Not too over powering, but always make sure they aren't positioned "blinding" the audience. Then I put a T-Rex on each speaker (tied down for safety) But when I'm not lazy and Audience are of a younger age take 2 stands and a Truss.
Hugmaster
Hi

On reading various threads on this board and others, I'm starting to wonder why folks now bother with smoke or haze, myself included.

If the venue will actually allow it, you tend to get complaints from auty Olive that it's affecting her bronchitis smile.gif

This also begs the question, if we can't really use smoke/jaze most of the time, why bother with lighting like scanners, as they rely on the haze effect to produce 80% of the effectiveness.

I'm seriously thinking of part-exing my Super leos for something that I can actually use and that will get seen at events, any suggestions?

My regular show now consists of:

2 x EVL Spins
2 x Super Scimitars
1 x NJD Sword

And for a little variety

Prolight Fab 4's, nice for the 70's/80's sets smile.gif

it's a litle annoying that I've spent money on all this stuff only to find that it's rendered uselss the majority of the time, but jesus it's saves about 20 minutes in set up and clear down time.

Darren
dfinn
Hello,

I definately wont use the sign as I said before my mate designed that and I just pposted it up here to give you an idea of the rog laypout I am looking for. I use a black cloth for the front always. As for lighting I now have a pair of constella chameleon 4's which I control using a commando 2 and I have a white moonflower in the centre. I think this is a subtle show but can look bland sometimes so I intend to buy two colour changers to wash the floor to give an ambient effect. I wouldnt use UV lighitng in formal/ adult parties but for teen/ club type shows then I will. I do not want to use scanners as they get in the yes of guests sitting down. I want to use a 4ft ultimax/girraffe stand and gantry type instead as T bars as they are less safe and also if they are dotted around the room then they are prone to drunken muppets knocking a T bar over and smashing my lighting effects.

Does anyone have a pair of acme mobile colours they dont want. If they have I will buy em.

Daniel


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