What is your opinion about this Laser Light?


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/150mW-RGY-LASER-LIGH...A1%7C240%3A1318

dodger

Actually, I wasn't that impressed.
Maybe if you can hire some and see what the feedback is like, perhaps the client / audience are the best to judge?

What will you use them for?


Nik

Was thinking of using to run with my 2 x Revo 111 mainly disco work.

dodger

Laser lights are a good thing ,I bought a KAM cluster verygood effect has a lot of possitive feedback from my clients especially the over 50!!!!!!, I have also updated my lights to LED spent £1000 but over the past 5 years lamps blowing and stuff it is worth it as they in a good oprince range compaired to 5 years ago a good effect would set up back around £300 !!!!

I have a couple of green lasers which look great in smoke, but not so great without.

hi, a friendly word of advice,
any purchase made from outside the EU will incurr import duty and vat and not many items get through the post office,
it is much better to buy direct from the UK as all tax will be already paid.
i have been very well treated by the seller of this item below.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ME:B:EF:GB:1123

and have 4 lasers from the same source with a safety cut out switch that they also can supply.
i hope that this is of some help
david

I have just purchase a laser cluster 3D which should be arriving soon.

I have a Laser UK DJ Colour 2 for sale. Not gigged. Looking for £200.

That don't look great at all to be honest. I have just bought a Kam Laser 60. £139.

Very impresive and bright, looks great without smoke to. Loads of paterns and dmx.

lantra do a RGY laser, its 180MW so its brighter and does the same thing

they are distributed in the UK and are sold for about £180 inc delivery and UK Warranty without getting clobbered for Import Duty either!!

I bought a KAM 3D Cluster laser last month and have to say I am really happy with it.

I'ts been used at a Wedding Fair during the day projected on to the ceiling and gave a nice effect with all the daylight. Also, I took it to small club I played at and with smoke it looks amazing!

I like it because you can use it at a Wedding without smoke and also with smoke for more of a rave type effect.

You can get it for around £250 delivered now if you look around!

Just my thoughts!

Thanks guys for advise - have just bought Kam Cluster 3D seems you guys like it so here goes, got good price on ebay £195.00 + p&p

Will let you know what I think when I use it.

dodger

Just had my Kam Star Cluster 3D Laser delivered one word WOW it is awesome.

dodger

1 word of advice, be very careful when purchasing laser lights, especially off eBay. You have to make sure that all relevent approvals are legally in place. There is a lot of manufacturers and resellers on eBay selling laser lights that are not CE, FDA, RoHS, WEEE and other major international approvals. Please make sure that your laser product complies with RoHS, CE and other important international approvals.

Mendoza.

That goes for a lot of 'imported' electrical goods, not only disco equipment. In fact it also goes for any equipment bought several years ago and beyond.

Mind you, my 21 year old Bush Tv didn't have any of those approvals either, but its still going strong. Most of my current equipment was manufactured prior to Rohs and WEEE regulations being introduced and from a legal standpoint I have nothing fear.

RoHS and WEEE are nothing to do with electrical safety nor reliability either, Rohs is aimed at manufacturers of products and removes the lead content from Pcb's, solder and components and WEEE is about safe disposal / recycling of equipment at their end of life. In short, like most regulations, its aimed to make money and nice fat pension for some entity .

Not sure what FDA is, the only FDA I know of, is a U.S entity which tests the safety of drugs. Not sure what relevance that has to a laser used in the UK.

I have to chuckle when I see comments which hint that imported products are in some way inferior to others which are already in the UK. Most of the electronic equipment we buy these days has come from a production line in Korea, India or Kowloon even the 'branded' stuff.

Heya mate yeah totally agree aout most products being ship[ped over are from the far east. FDA is, indeed aimed at the States's citizens. FDA is just like CE etc over here but they are much tougher over in the States for the user of safe operations with correctly regulated products.

I understand that some of your products were purchased before RoHS etc was introduced. I dont think it would pose a threat to you. I mean the likly hood of users found using products that dont comply is pretty slim but there is always a chance.

Best wishes,

Neil.

Oh?, I think the chances of that are virtually non existant, after all these regulations are directed at and soley apply to MANUFACTURERS and not end users. Does Granny Matthews really check for all of these regs when she goes to buy a new washing machine or TV set have the general public even heard of them?. Doubtful.

http://www.rohs.gov.uk/

Note:-



There is nothing in there to make the end user (consumer) liable for any non compliance of goods which they own / have bought, its aimed entirely at manufacturing businesses (what few are left) and those selling goods based at locations within the EEC.

Its not illegal to use non compliant products in the UK, its only against the regulations to manufacturer them or actively commercially distribute them as new products here or in Europe. So if you were to buy a new, non compliant product from a UK or European based supplier then, yes, you are correct in that the supplier is not in compliance of the current regulations and may, if reported, be fined.

However to buy & import an item directly and personally exported from the Far East for personal use is not breaking any laws and so there is nixt chance of the CE police visiting a venue and confiscating those goods, and to my knowledge there are no checks for this, either at customs or their point of entry. You can still even freely buy and sell USED non compliant second hand equipment too, as the acts only apply to NEW equipment.



Incidentally,CE Marking, Rohs and WEEE are European directives which have no influence or jurisdiction in Far Eastern manufacturing and neither do they currently apply to Automotive and Computer equipment. If the manufacturers in the Far East are routinely importing goods into the UK or have a UK Based distribution chain then yes it needs to have the relevant legislation approvals in order to be (re)SOLD and DISTRIBUTED in the UK. In the case of somebody buying product on Ebay dispatched from an address in China then the product is not being bought or manufactured in the UK or Europe and neither is it being purchased from a distributor within the EEC - its being bought directly from China.

It is not a stipulation that a UK consumer cannot buy non compliant goods from China directly and import it as a 'one off' into their country (or bring it in as part of travelling on Holiday) as it doesn't form any type of customs check. This is because the manufacturer is not actively intending to selling goods in the UK through a UK / European distribution chain - the customer came directly to them and bought it directly from their country.

Remember the good old kite mark?, how many goods carry that these days??. I guess the CE, Rohs and WEEE symbols will all go much the same way in the next few decades.

Interestingly, vehicle manufacturers all have to test their vehicle electronics to a certain level to prevent interference to neighbouring systems. But lets say you were driving a pre 2004 manufactured car, and idling at traffic lights, when your vehicles ECU or Electronic Ignition system jams up a pedestrians pace maker and they drop dead in front of you. Do you think that you'd be held liable for this?. The common sense answer of course is no, well, the same would apply to consumers using other non compliant products.

As a point of fact, if you drive a fairly modern car you shouldn't really have mobile phones switched on when in your car either (check your handbook) as there is always the chance of its signal interfering with not only the engine and fuel management systems but also the ABS, Traction and ESP controls, the failure of which could cause a serious accident. How many people are directly ignoring this advice and the 'approval's that their car has? - probably more than are using non CE / Rohs appliances . I state once again that, Rohs and WEEE have nothing whatsoever to do with electrical safety either, its just the EEC flexing their collective muscles.

So yes, I agree that it is probably wise to make sure your equipment meets relevant approval where applicable is a good and sensible idea but then again its also a good idea to have pli as a responsible business (and probably more so if you use lasers) but in reality I wonder how many businesses / Dj's have? - as neither are directly enforceable.

As far as lasers are concerned very few meet the safety standards that are required.
I haven't seen any whatsoever on ebay that have safety shutters or scan fail detection fitted.
Even the key switch is normally ommitted or if fitted you can remove the key whilst in the ON position.

Jim

It is because these 'branded' companies brought their production and manufacturing process into these countries where labor is cheaper. It does not necessarily mean that the equipment is inferior.

The CE Marking can also cover safety. I'm currently jumping though the hoops to ensure my "day-job product" is CE Marked.
To do this, there is a bunch of things to test/check/provide;
-EMC directive. Does it go wrong when exposed to EMC. Does is emit EMC above a specific level?
-Low Voltage directive. Is it electrically safe? - no exposed voltages above 48V?
-Machinery directive? Trap points, guarding?
-Laser Safety (is an interlock required? how powerful is it? labeling etc)
-Installation guide, how should the equipment be installed to ensure compliance?
-Labling, is it clear and accurate?

These are the ones I can rememberm there are more . My product is an industrial (but low power) laser product for oilfield/environmental monitoring - I would assume laser lighting effects should have tighter rules.
We've recently spent about £15K on external testing, and many man hours on extra documentation.
This CE stuff isn't cheap to provide!

If you are supplied a bit of CE-Marked kit, the manufacturer/importer should have a "technical file" to prove that all certifications/tests/data have been met.
These tests will vary depending on the product. A car hoist will have different tests to a kettle...
Once the technical file is complete, a senior member of management in the company (normally director level) will sign a "Certificate of Conformity", which states which directives apply to the equipment.

Its worth bearing in mind that it is technically illegal to sell a non-CE marked bit of kit inside the EU.
However, as McArdle points out -there is no CE Police.


I do know that IF the HSE is involved, they will check the equipment used - and for serious accidents a non-CE product would be picked up and questions asked.

The thing is, some of the products are coming into the country CE marked, when they don't conform.
Customs don't do anything about it because they are single units.

Jim