YO guys, im having trouble beatmatching.
When the chorus of song A is playing, the beat of song B is playing. Problem is after a while the beats start to get out of sync, how can i keep them in sync no matter how long i play them together?!?!?!?
Btw I have Pioneer DJM 600 mixer and 2 Pioneer CDJ 800.
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Hi
Beet matching is a bit of a nack and takes practise. In theory, if you can count to 4 and click your fingers in time with a song, that makes beet matching easier. In practise is not quite as striaghtforward.
If you're finding that the beet of one track is straying either slower or fast than the previous track, some tempo adjustment is needed, that's if your system has tempo adjust.
Keep at it, it does take a lot of practise. But more important than exact beet matching are is the way you construct a set of track together. You may very well find track that match beet for beet, but they might sound totally at odds with each other simply because they in a different key, this is where a little knowledge of music comes into play.
I'm very fortunate in that I'm both a fairly experienced drummer and keyboard play, but you still need the ideas and creativity.
Good luck
Darren
Beet matching is a bit of a nack and takes practise. In theory, if you can count to 4 and click your fingers in time with a song, that makes beet matching easier. In practise is not quite as striaghtforward.
If you're finding that the beet of one track is straying either slower or fast than the previous track, some tempo adjustment is needed, that's if your system has tempo adjust.
Keep at it, it does take a lot of practise. But more important than exact beet matching are is the way you construct a set of track together. You may very well find track that match beet for beet, but they might sound totally at odds with each other simply because they in a different key, this is where a little knowledge of music comes into play.
I'm very fortunate in that I'm both a fairly experienced drummer and keyboard play, but you still need the ideas and creativity.
Good luck
Darren
I must apologise for my awful typing, I hit Add Reply before checking my typing grrrrrrr. Sorry.
Darren
Darren
Yes my system does have a tempo adjust, actually the jog wheel on my tables can adjust the tempo. But the thing is that i dont know which track is playing faster than the other one. I guess thats where the practice comes in.
ty Darren
ty Darren
keep adjusting your pitch control with the pioneers +/- whatever
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| But the thing is that i dont know which track is playing faster than the other one. I guess thats where the practice comes in. |
The cliche (sp???) answer mate but yeah its practice. Once you start learning the basics of beat mixing and making sure you bring in the next record on the correct bar (depending on how both are written) its just practice to enable you to realise which is quicker or slower. Knowing your records will help but practice means people experieced at mixing generally just know which record is ahead / behind, certain radio 1 dj's obviously exempt
If you think the beats are roughly matched but are running slightly off use your headphones to practice either nudging the record forward or slowing the platter slighlty to get them back on, rather than doing this live 'in the mix'
Steve
Takes alot of practice and concentration to figure which record/cd/track is faster than the other. Try switching in your headphones from one side to the next to get a rough idea of which is faster/slower and then make small adjustments on the pitch control untill you feel they're in time with one another and then bring the crossfader across to the middle and you'll either hear them in sync or like a hoard of horses galloping 
once again PRACTICE
, and lots of it!! 
once again PRACTICE
, and lots of it!!
Song's won't always go hand in hand, so the way to get around this is to use pitch bend, this quickly rectifies slowing/speeding of a track.
The only way to learn the skill of spotting and sorting a faster/slower track within a mix is PRACTICE!!!!, it also helps, as pulsations said, concentration plays a major part of a mix in a live set.
I found that if I listened to a song on say the radio in the car, I could think of a track to mix it with, and then attempt it at home on the decks...
hope this helps Resurrectah
The only way to learn the skill of spotting and sorting a faster/slower track within a mix is PRACTICE!!!!, it also helps, as pulsations said, concentration plays a major part of a mix in a live set.
I found that if I listened to a song on say the radio in the car, I could think of a track to mix it with, and then attempt it at home on the decks...
hope this helps Resurrectah
ty guys i appreciate the advice
If you are 'mixing' club beats / dance tunes, you will see a BPM measurement on the DJM600 mixer (set the chn efft selector to 1 or 2).
The 'measurement' is fairly good but not 100% accurate.
So once you've got 2 tracks with similar tempo's, using the +/- pitch control on the CD players will 'fine tune' the BPM to allow you to beat-match.
On 'current' recordings such as dance, pop, club, D&B, House, Techno, Trance, etc, the BPM's hold-tight and constant.
For older tunes, say before 1984/1985, the 'beat' of a tune was more than likely played 'live', and not in perfect BPM measurement time.
That said, your skills develop on the wheels of steel when you start adjusting the 'platter' to keep-in-time, when the tune starts to 'run-out'.
It's been mentioned before, but the easiest thing to 'practice mix' is to use 2 of the same tracks and 'bounce' off one another.
Once satisfied that you have mastered the 'bounce', introduce different, similar BPM tunes and build your experience level. It's always good to have a quick 'bounce mix' whilst you similtaniously go over the gain levels and adjust EQ for that 'perfect mix'.
Learn to 'mix in your headphones' if you possibly can too. When you work in an environment where the function room is different in length, height, width, etc, you will get 'time delay' if you try to mix without 'booth' monitor (fold back sound).
Time delay can affect your mixing. In time, your ears would hopefully become 'wise' to spotting delay - and allow you to switch to headphone mixing.
It's also worth remembering that in club mixing, the 12" or extended tune, will generally be in measurements of 16 beats than that of 8.
It really depends on the tune you have, and what you're going to 'bring in' on the mix.
If the 'measures' are out, then the 'mix' will sound 'noisy or busy', however, if you are trying to 'emulate' the smooth mix's we hear at clubs, on the radio, etc, then you have to go back to the record case too see what works with which tune.
Some tunes just will not go together.
So to summerise in example, if:
Deck A is @ 120.5 BPM
Deck B is @ 120.9 BPM
Then Deck A is eventually going to 'fall behind' Deck B.
That's when your hearing skills and CD player 'platter work' comes in!!
The 'measurement' is fairly good but not 100% accurate.
So once you've got 2 tracks with similar tempo's, using the +/- pitch control on the CD players will 'fine tune' the BPM to allow you to beat-match.
On 'current' recordings such as dance, pop, club, D&B, House, Techno, Trance, etc, the BPM's hold-tight and constant.
For older tunes, say before 1984/1985, the 'beat' of a tune was more than likely played 'live', and not in perfect BPM measurement time.
That said, your skills develop on the wheels of steel when you start adjusting the 'platter' to keep-in-time, when the tune starts to 'run-out'.
It's been mentioned before, but the easiest thing to 'practice mix' is to use 2 of the same tracks and 'bounce' off one another.
Once satisfied that you have mastered the 'bounce', introduce different, similar BPM tunes and build your experience level. It's always good to have a quick 'bounce mix' whilst you similtaniously go over the gain levels and adjust EQ for that 'perfect mix'.
Learn to 'mix in your headphones' if you possibly can too. When you work in an environment where the function room is different in length, height, width, etc, you will get 'time delay' if you try to mix without 'booth' monitor (fold back sound).
Time delay can affect your mixing. In time, your ears would hopefully become 'wise' to spotting delay - and allow you to switch to headphone mixing.
It's also worth remembering that in club mixing, the 12" or extended tune, will generally be in measurements of 16 beats than that of 8.
It really depends on the tune you have, and what you're going to 'bring in' on the mix.
If the 'measures' are out, then the 'mix' will sound 'noisy or busy', however, if you are trying to 'emulate' the smooth mix's we hear at clubs, on the radio, etc, then you have to go back to the record case too see what works with which tune.
Some tunes just will not go together.
So to summerise in example, if:
Deck A is @ 120.5 BPM
Deck B is @ 120.9 BPM
Then Deck A is eventually going to 'fall behind' Deck B.
That's when your hearing skills and CD player 'platter work' comes in!!
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