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dj ripple
Hi all, my name is martin and I'm new to this forum. I have read few quite a few of the posts and am impressed with the friendly, helpfull advise that is given. Although not new to Dj-ing (i've been playing in clubs and at raves now for a few years) I am new to hosting events. Me and a couple of mates want to start our own night and I would like some advise on a sound system to get. They would be held in various locations (marques in a field, old farm houses, small / large halls) and hopefully to crowds of 80 - 100 (as the night gets known, maybe to more). Sound quality and reliability is paramount i.e: clear mid and treble and DEEP bass. Music would be drum & bass, old skool and generally very loud dance music. Our budget would be up to about £2000 but if it doesnt need to to cost that then that would be good.

Well, I hope thats enough information to get some sound advise from you guys, I look forward to any responses.

Cheers martin
C.S
Be patient , i am not the right man to advise you but i can hear a stampede behind me who are! biggrin.gif
johnnyb
I would say you have two main choices. Either a powered system or a sep amp and speaker system.

For Active i would say go for a pair of Mackie SRM450's for tops (400w RMS each) and a SWA1501 for bass (500w RMS). This comes in at about £2000.

Otherwise i would go for a pair of Yamaha SV112IV for tops (400w RMS each), a pair of Yamaha SV118IV bass bins (500w RMS each), a Matrix UKP1300 for powering the tops, and a Matrix UKP2100 for powering the bass. Again, about £2000 i think.

There are loads of different combinations to look at. If you can, look at QSC and Peavey amps. Good quality, but might push your budget a bit if you get a pair with speakers.
Dukesy
CP (admin) may help me out here with this bit of advice....I hope!

You could 'build' your bass bins to reduce cost....allowing you to spend a little more towards other things.

I recently 'stripped down' an old RCF speaker system and put the 15" bass drivers into 120litre Cabs.
I was able to utilise the existing 'ports' at the bottom of the casing, I don't think I could have worked out all the 'technical' points, and I've ended up very lucky.
The speakers were originally in someone elses home-built cabs - but were far too small for their potential output.
I couldn't possibly explain the physics - only that when I tested the 'new' cabs, the bass frequencys on tracks like Killing Me Softly (fugees) and Faithless dance tracks were far more 'booming' than previously heard.

The reason I did this was that although I can use 4x Ev speakers, the 'bass' sounded 'flat' to me!!! (no - not on the stands....on the floor!)
And the old RCF's were just sitting there.

It's true that a lot will go towards what amp/s you have and their quality output, so before you attempt to 'rip apart' any of your existing set-up, may I suggest you look into, or ask, any of the techi-minded bods what sort of avenues you should walk before you build your own bins!!!!

You could even go further and build 18" 'Bin Scoops', which throw the bass sound out. But they are pretty big - and would you really have the 'right' venue or function to utilise such potential output?!!!
If you have - I'm jealous already! (only kidding!)


Dj_Kray
Sorry i can't help you with this but hello and welcome anyway 042.gif
Chrispy
HI and welcome to the forum!

QUOTE
You could 'build' your bass bins to reduce cost....allowing you to spend a little more towards other things.


I wouldn't recommend building your own cabs to somebody new to the business Dan!. No offence to Martin, but if he needs to ask advice on purchasing products, then I don't think he'll be able to design and build a speaker system from scratch, and correctly from individual components!.

Usually the rave industry goes for the pro end of the market such as Turbosound Floodlight speakers driven by QSC Amps, although you would need a lottery win (or grant smile.gif ) to even consider going for something like that - and for 80 - 100 people then its going to be overkill - just some advice for when your drawing the really large crowds / outdoor events!.

Martin Audio - are a good Pro loudspeaker, and you should be able to get a decent Martin / QSC derived package for around £2800.

EV- Again, Industry standard for this sort of application. Their Eliminator E / SE combinations will fit well within your budget, and if your budget becomes tight then good condition Eliminator 15's can often be found in 2nd hand music stores and cheap!.

RCF - Mackie I don't go for powered speakers myself (personal opinion), and some of their powered products have had issues with overheating especially when driven hard for long periods. However some of the Passive RCF Range is exceptionally well made. The RCF ART 300's (Full Range 12" 300 W RMS) and RCF ART 500 (Full Range 15" 500W RMS) are popular for the full range portion of the Audio.

Amp:- If your budget can stretch to it then go for QSC RMX Series Amps. you can get their RMX-2450 (2x 750W @ 4 Ohms / 2x 1225w @ 2 ohms) for under 600 notes.

Choosing what goes between your mixer and amp rack can also be important, if possible try and use bi-Amping, that means using two amplifers to power your system. For this size of system then I would recommend using one amp for the full range, and one amp powering the bass or "subs". You can use a Active Crossover to do this. Additional (low cost) enhancement which can be added to your system is a Bass (or frequency) enhancer and a compressor limiter. Between them, this will add more kick to ANY system and improve clarity and bass response of the system without using additional overheads, powerwise!. The limiter protects your system from being overdriven, and compression, when use correctly can also add depth to your music output smile.gif . If you go down the Behringer product route for these, you can get these signal "add ons" for very little damage to your budget!.

Again, Audio is a different Animal to different people, we all have our favourite toys and systems, and idea's of what we ourselves would use (given the opportunity or budget!). All the advice given so far (apart from maybe Dan's D-I-Y bodget and scarper) has been spot on and worth considering, but perhaps you would be better demo'ing a system before you buy since you seem to have your own idea's of how you want it to sound, and the only way of really re-assuring yourself that a system is a correct system for you, is by listening and playing!.




Dukesy
QUOTE (Chris_Pointon @ Nov 25 2003, 12:21 AM)
All the advice given so far (apart from maybe Dan's D-I-Y bodget and scarper)

I would go along with what Chris has said, that's why I thought he would be a good 'devils advocote'....but bodget and scarper.....LOL!

I can honestly say, that what I did was only re-case the drivers into a more suitable 'bin' to fully appreciate full power potential for larger gigs, especially in cases of 1000W+ required output. (The RCF drivers had been placed in 'car-boot wedges'!!!)
Actually, I miss quoted myself, and it wasn't rehoused in 120ltr cabs, but 100ltr cabs!!!
So I did bodge that earlier statement!

No offence Chris, but I wasn't under the impression that Martin was 'new' to DJ'ing.
However, I submit, that DIY speaker building from scratch IS more than a potential risk to newbie DJ's - as it puts the life of your amp, and speakers in the balance! Increase the risk - the higher the replacement cost.

Stick with Chris - I'd better scarper! smile.gif
dj ripple
Tahnk you for all the advice that has been given, it is much appreciated. Anouther question though. How much do you think i should budget for leads and things and also, on the back of my mixer (vestax 05 pro) i have RCA line outs. Is it just a matter of connecting these to an amp/speaker system or the powered units and away I go or is there more equipment needed still to make it work? It may sound like a dumb question to yuo guys but its not to me!

Cheers martin
Chrispy
If your mixer has balanced line outputs then use them smile.gif , these are usually in the form of circular 3 pin connectors (Called XLR's or "Canons"). If not then you would need to use the Phono / RCA connectors. Try and use the "master" rather than the record outputs if you can, since they are usually line level 0db outputs suitable for driving most amps, whereas the RECORD outputs are usually slightly lower outputs (-10db).

In a basic system, it is usually just a case of plugging in your amp into the master output of your mixer, however if you intend on using additional equipment then go Mixer - Enhancer- Comp / Limiter - X-Over - Amps

Speaker Leads - Most Pro Amps use SPEAKONS which are heavy duty connectors. You need to buy a lead compatible from this format to whatever your speakers use. Most Pro-Speakers also use SPEAKON Type connectors so it would just be a case of buying a ready made SPEAKON - SPEAKON lead in whatever length you require (Usually available off the shelf in 3, 5, 10, 15 20, 25m) Go for rubber heavy duty cables rather than cheap 'n' cheerful types.

If you make up your own cables then use adequately rated cable - 15A / 20A for upto a 1KW system is good advice. If you intend on using them for long outdoor runs then Twin Core "Arctic Grade" 15A cable is a good choice!.


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