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PaulCaparn
Hi guys.

I have some questions which maybe some of you can help me with.....

I've been hiring out my soundsystem for various local events, and I've now built up a fantastic system and lighting rig. I have a reasonable amount of business at the moment, but I now want to make a proper business out of it, and would ultimately like the system to be out every Friday and Satirday night, and of course any other nights would be a bonus! We are now travelling further affield, and are willing to travel anywhere in the country to be honest. Even with travelling costs, I still find that we are able to offer a fantastic deal.

My main issue is advertising, ie where/how? Is there anything you can recommend to bring me more business? Any places I should be targetting? So far all of my work has come through recommendation and building an impressive reputation, which is the best advertising you can get - but still a slow process. I'm having a website built at present, and a few record stores have agreed to put up some A4 posters for me (I am offering 10% comission to them, or anybody, who helps bring me work so its worth their while. If they give my number to somebody, then they get 10% when that person books a system. Easy bucks for them, new custom for me).

Secondly, the legal side. The Insurance doesnt cover the gear if I am hiring it to anybody else. Only for my own private use. Is there is a company out there who will insure it if I hire it out to a third party??? There must be somewhere (but I suspect the costs may take it to the point that I would never earn a penny back on the equipment). So on that one, I'm just taking the risk at the moment! I have PLI (up to 5 million is packaged with the regular insurance) and we do make health and safety a key aspect. All loudspeakers are very securely strapped into place, lighting effects all have heavy duty safety chains, any cables are taped into place and covered with mats, etc. All the common sense things really..... BUT.... Are there any laws or rules which we need to know about? There arer a few similar people locally doing the same thing as me, but from what I have seen, we are by far taking the most professional stance with regard to being as legitimate and professional as possible!

If theres any comments or tips on any aspects of this, then they are greatfully received!

(Sorry that went on a bit!!!) wallbash.gif

Paul
Event Systems
Dukesy
Any comments Chris?
Chrispy
Paul,

First of all, you don't give an area or location in your post, and of course that can make a big difference to how you get your business known smile.gif .

Secondly, from your statement:-

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we do make health and safety a key aspect. All loudspeakers are very securely strapped into place, lighting effects all have heavy duty safety chains, any cables are taped into place and covered with mats, etc. All the common sense things really


I'm getting the impression, that you are present during the hire period, which technically means that you could easily get away with having your equipment covered by a standard "all risks" policy smile.gif , the only time that you would need to negotiate a seperate hire policy, would be if a customer collected the gear from your address, used the gear themselves, and then returned it after the hire period?. However, from what you have posted above, then I do get the thought that you either set up and dismantle the sound / lighting gear yourself, or are present during the hire period?.

Hiring equipment out without any form of supervision, does pose some risk, especially with expensive sound & Lighting equipment. Not only from lack of knowledge of how it's set up and from incorrect use, but more so, with the gear going walkies . When hiring out, make sure that you take copies of 2 forms of ID (I insist on Passport or drivers license and 1 current utility bill), I also make a note of the registration number of the vehicle they arrive in smile.gif . CCTV, is also a good investment and ideal for identification purposes, should the hirer never return with the gear!!!!. It does sound a little O.T.T, but you would be surprised at how much gear I lost at the start, due to theiving censored.gif.


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My main issue is advertising, ie where/how? Is there anything you can recommend to bring me more business? Any places I should be targetting? So far all of my work has come through recommendation and building an impressive reputation, which is the best advertising you can get - but still a slow process


You basically answered your own question here smile.gif , word of mouth advertising is of course your best (and cheapest) form of advertising, whether its a hire business or a Mobile Roadshow. Sound & Lighting rigs tend to be hired by Bands - especially those who are just starting out and don't have the financies to fund their own P.A, So you could try targeting the national Music / Group based Magazines. Also ask any rehersal studios or recording studio's if they will advertise your rig for you, since their clients may soon be ready to go out and "gig" - your local sixth form college, Uni etc may also be a useful place to advertise, since it's amazing how many students in their teens suddenly decide to form a band!.

Get some good business cards printed, and whenever you attend a gig which is also advertised, then negotiate a small discount with the client, to have your details printed on their own Tickets / Flyers / Brochures as in "P.A and Lighting supplied by Event Systems - (01XXX) XXXXXX".

An Advert in Yellow pages gets mixed reactions on here, so you may want to research that a little more. If you advertise in your local yellow pages it'll cost around £300 - if you go national with Y.P they'll expect you to have a small fortune tucked away, remortgage your house, and cough up a lung!!!!. Yellow pages has never worked for me, but it has for some other folks on here, so don't dismiss it out of hand, but then don't expect miracles either!.

Website advertising is one of the best advertising medium's around, and also one of the cheapest. However the traffic it creates depends on the effort you put in to it!. For instance it isn't just a case of building a site and then waiting for the hits to start, you need to get it on the search engines, optimise your keywords etc. See our Website section on this forum for more tips on this. Oh and get a domain name similar to your business name - i.e Eventsystems.co.uk or Event-Systems.co.uk if thats already taken. Also go for paid hosting rather than free sites with banners, since this gives a far better professional impression.

Most Health and Safety issues are indeed just common sense, although you should be aware that hire equipment MUST be P.A.T tested between every hire period. In other words, when a customer returns an appliance back to you, then you would need to P.A.T test it again, before it was hired to another client!. This doesn't apply if you accompany the hire gear and you are the one using it, in which case you would only need to P.A.T test every year, just the same as a Mobile D.J would.

P.L.I is only needed if YOU are in attendance during the hire period. I always point out that the client is responsible for safe use of the equipment and arranging their own insurance cover where required. I get this in writing at the time of the hire, basically stating that I will not be held liable for any damage to persons or property through the neglect of the hirer, or incorrect use of the equipment.

Finally, of course is the above mentioned hire agreement which should be written to be as tight as a duck's censored.gif , and cover you against any eventuality - however unlikely!. I paid a solicitor £60 to draft mine, and it was money well spent!. Get all details in writing, along with a returnable hire deposit.

If you intend on running it as a business and above board, then don't forget to inform the Inland Revenue of your activities, since it's better to tell them sooner, rather than later!.
PaulCaparn
Wow, thank you! Certainly some helpful info there.

In terms of location, we are based in Paignton (Devon) and cover a lot of the local work already, but we are actually willing to travel much much further affield. We were in Newquay a couple of weeks back, providing a system at the Springbok, and will happily travel to London, Birmingham, etc where we should have some work coming up soon.

The main rig we're offering is a 10K system, consisting of 6 EAW subs and 4 RCF Event 6000 cabs (truely amazing cabs I have to say) driven by Crest CA series amps, through dbx driverack processing, from an Allen & Heath XOne464 desk. As well as this we provide some basic Abstract dmx scanners, smoke machines, uv, strobes etc chucked into the bargain for free.

I've got to find out how much this sort of setup would cost to hire from companies in places like London, and see if we can compete, bearing in mind the transit costs involved in hires to these destinations.

I am always present with the equipment, as is a roadie (when he's not asleep in the van). sleep1.gif So that covers that aspect of the insurance then! Good good!

I've got an incredibly detailed hire agreement already, but I will get it re-written by a solicitor to make sure every aspect is covered.

Thanks for your help!
Dj_Kray
Hello and welcome paul 042.gif you will have to let us all know how it goes if ya get time:D
kazzachi
have a look at some production companies web sites.... you should be able to get an idea as to how much a 10k system would go out for.....
DJPhantom
10k as in... You spent 10,000 on it? I guess the pound/dollar thing is an issue, but still, WOW! scared.gif
kazzachi
10 k as in Kilowatts! Not pounds or dollars!
DJPhantom
LOL! And that's why I'm the newbie and you're not. Thanks so much
DUH! I'm dumb sometimes
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kazzachi
No phantom you are not dumb! Dont worry - we all have to start somewhere and I can bet that I must have asked some really stupid questions in my time! (and probably still do!)
PaulCaparn
LOL, I wish it only cost me £10,000. I wouldnt be so concerned about getting more work if it did! I've put everything I've got into this set-up, and then some! And then some still.

I had a look at some other companies websites as Kazzachi suggested, and they are asking two or three times what I am asking for a 10K rig. I cant understand it, as people haggle with me when I ask for £350! And I am offering far superior equipment to these other companies, plus a free DMX lighting rig, smoke machines, uv, 1210's, mixer, mobile dj booth, etc all chucked in for free!

There is work out there for me, its just getting my name in front of the promoters and people in the scene which is proving difficult. sterb188.gif
kazzachi
Paul.. I have mates who hire out 10 - 20k rigs and it usually boils down to getting in with the promoter.... once you have your foot in the door then the promoter usually turns to you and you alone. One way of getting that foot hold, is to approach a few promoters and offer a free hire... so that they can fully appreciate the quality of your system. Its amazing what a bit of goodwill can do in this particular market! Also, keep pressing the "free" extras..... everyone likes to think that they are getting something extra on the deal. Good Luck - but be prepared to keep phoning and knocking on doors!

Another way in is to approach corporate management for race tracks such as silverstone - dont poach this one though cos my mate already does that one! - they often have the need for large sound systems.
PaulCaparn
Thanks for some more good ideas. Getting in with the promoters is definately the key. The trouble around here is that there are a couple of Opus rigs doing the rounds, and they are fairly cheap to be honest - so the promoters love them!

The high costs of hiring a venue, security, etc, always mean that the lads who are working hard to get thier nights off the ground in our area are always ending up out of pocket. So they do 2 or 3 nights, and then give up because they simply cant afford to keep losing money each time. So understandably, all they are concerned about is getting the cheapest deal going.

I think we need to conecntrate more on the big cities!

Well I hope you've all got some gigs on over the festive period, and best wishes for a top new year to you all.

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YourBigEvent
Hello Paul and welcome to the forum, you know my telephone number so if I can help (without losing my business tongue.gif ) please call
McCardle
10kw nice system smile.gif


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