Hi all,

Just been on the Denon website and the latest update (v1300) for the HD2500 is there to download, I'll not put any more cos I'm sure Gary will be along soon to fill in the details

Jase

Yeah - I can add tracks to my hotlist and delete tracks from my hotlist!!!!!

Just one point - what's a hotlist?? And how do I use one??

Well, not Gary, but Silvio !



***NEW DN-HD2500 SOFTWARE SYS 1300*** (June 2008)

The most versatile media player and controller just got better, again.


_________________________________________________________________


Improvements:

-Added: Windows Vista support in MIDI mode
-Added: support for new iPod Classic & Nano (gen 6)
-Added: the ability to go back UP the search list from the Title level
-Added: Album sorting by Track ID3 tag
-Added: Folder searching by Player & Keyboard
-Added: “Hot List” Function by player and keyboard (aka, waitlist/crate)
-Added: more Keyboard functions
-Added: USB Format tool, we can now format NTFS drives to FAT32
-Improved other minor bugs listed with the firmware download

More info here:

http://denondj.com/plugin.asp?prod=DN-HD25...mp;x=25&y=5

The DN-HD2500 is currently supported by these DJ applications when used as a MIDI controller:

-Serato Scratch LIVE (1.8.1)
-PCDJ Reflex
-PCDJ DEX
-OTS AV

I'm a little confused with the new hotlist feature. The instructions state that the right arrow adds a track and the left arrow removes a track, so I set up the left side of the player with normal searching and the right side with the hotlist. As I selected a track on the left side and pressed the right arrow, it said 'added to hotlist' and it immediately appeared in the hotlist window. When I pressed the left arrow though, nothing happened. When I moved to the hotlist window and selected a track and pressed the left arrow, it said 'omitted from hotlist' and a tick appeared to the left of the track, but it was still there. I tried coming out and going back into the hotlist but it was still there. The only way I found to clear the 'ticked' songs was to turn the unit off and then back on, so.........................what am I doing wrong???

Ok...back from the US now, and even happier to help than ever.



What's a hot list? Well, back in Ye Olde days of DJing with vinyl, or even the newer days of DJing with CDs, if you were flicking through your music flightcases of albums for a track which you wanted, you might have flicked through an album or track which suddenly grabbed your brain and made you think "Hmm, that'll go down really well with tonights crowd,but not yet...I might play it later..." and low and behold, you'd pull the chosen piece of vinyl/CD jewel case halfway out of the flightcase and leave it tilted at a jaunty 45 degrees, so that it wouldn't (easily) slide back down. Hot List is just like that.



On the DN-HD2500, you can search by all the usual methods....eg: display instantly all the tracks by a certain artist/group....or display all song titles with a specific word/selection of text in them, or all the tracks from such'n'such year...you can also use search by a range of BPM's eg: A user-selectable number of BPM higher/lower than the BPM which you're searching for. You can even use Two-Step search to show only those tracks which match both of two criteria which you search for - eg: Whitney Houston tracks where the BPM is around 128, or tracks from 1985 with the word/text "danc" in the title etc.



At any time, during any search, (which all provide -instant- results on the DN-HD2500), you can either select a track instantly to play next on either deck, or now you can add any track in the on-screen search results to the Hot List.



Hot List is a playlist which can hold upto 99 tracks which you can add to even while the other side of the 2500 is playing a track. These tracks can be songs which people have requested at the "wrong" time - eg: "red red wine", just when you've got everyone dancing to fast tracks... or tracks which you've thought of playing "later". You can call up the Hot List on either side of the 2500 and add, or cue up any of the tracks which you've placed within it. When you cue up/play a track in the Hot List, on either side of the 2500, a tick/check mark appears by the side of that track to show that it's no longer waiting to be played.



Also, if that blonde girl with the massive pair of...eyes, who requested that you play several tracks for her, is seen leaving just after scoffing the buffet, you can use the Omit from Playlist (left hand arrow on a USB keyboard) function, to add a tick/check mark to all her tracks so that you don't still play them. A feature in the Utility menu allows the removal of all tracks in the Hotlist which have the tick/check mark against them.

Can you explain how to remove them and also if you reach the 99 limit what happens, does it remove the ticked songs automatically or does it just say it's full? Thanks

I've not taken the Hotlist up to 99 tracks at a gig yet, although used Hotlist at about 6 gigs so far. I've just tried it, and got the message "Hotlist is Full" when I tried to add an extra track to a Hotlist of 99 tracks (roughly 6.5 hours of music already).



Removing tracks in the Hotlist which have been marked with a tick/checkmark, eg: ones which you've already played, or used the "Omit from playlist" option on, just go into the Utility Menu, via the Utility button on the 2500, and choose the Edit Hotlist menu option.

Gary

Thanks for that. I'm working tonight so hopefully I'll lose my Hot List virginity???

Can someone please tell me how to remove version 1300 and go back to 1200, because for having the hotlist feature with all the other changes that have come along, I'll just stick to version 1200 and a pen and paper.

What do you mean Big McBen?

I am yet to install V1300 on mine, what makes the upgrade so bad?

Surely if you (or I) dont like the hotlist feature, you just dont use it??
There's loads of features I dont use all ready....

The issues I've found with the 1300 software are

Doing search by album, unit locks up and song that is playing stops then starts playing slowly (like brake in reverse). This continues in a loop and I had to switch off and back on. Make sure you have your backup music ready to play if you're doing an album search.

If you used the controls on the denon, the keyboard automatically switched to that side, now it doesn't, so issue below means that occassionally you press enter thinking you're on one side of the unit when in fact you're still on the side that's playing, so pressing enter causes the song currently playing to stop and reload. (happened four times friday night)

Hotlist. For some reason the playlock occassionally disengages, which can cause problems. SEE ABOVE

When searching say an artist, I might return 3 entries for Status Quo (I know I should sort out my tags but that's a seperate issue). I would select the first one and see if the song I wanted was there. if not, press back and then select the next status quo and check and so on. Now when you press back, you go right back to the start and have to type in status quo and enter and try and remember which ones you've already checked and so on.

If you are using the hotlist feature, as soon as you select a song to play, a tick appears which means it won't appear the next time you use the hotlist. Now a couple of times I've selected a song to play only to change my mind, but I can't remove the tick, so the next time I look it appears that it's been played and if I can't remember I've changed my mind and not played it I'm stuffed.

I appreciate that the software is made for a worldwide market and these changes, whether accidental or deliberate, are not to my liking, so I'll just go back to v1200 at the moment and if v1400 addresses these issues then great, if not, I'll just stick to v1200. As the say if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I'll be sending you a PM hopefully by the end of tonight (GMT) with some additional info, but let me clarify a couple of things first.



The "Stops playing, then sloooooowly starts" is not the firmware, or the DN-HD2500 - it's the speed of the external device - eg: disk drive, disk drive firmware, hub, or lead. I've seen this several times and seen it replicated deliberately where a nice fast (USB 2.0) Powered, external drive, with a good USB2.0 lead runnig through a powered USB 2.0 hub, is working fine. Everything is switched off, and the USB2.0 hub is switched with an unpowered, and USB1 hub...after a while, the drives cache fills up and when more demand for data is made, the drive cant send the data through the hub at the desired speeds. Not a problem if all you're waiting for is a Word document, or an Excel Spreadsheet, it just takes a bit longer to load - but obviously when its music delivery, the bottleneck is very noticable.



I've been using the V1300 firmware on my own drives and hubs at home and at gigs for several weeks now, and no "slooooow" problems.



The Playlock, Keyboard switching is being looked into, following your mention of it. (yes, already being looked into even though its a weekend - on both sides of The Atlantic - directly after my gig last night in fact)



You mention "If you are using the hotlist feature, as soon as you select a song to play, a tick appears which means it won't appear the next time you use the hotlist. "



The ticked items on a hotlist do not disappear when you go back into the hotlist - indeed, they're not supposed to. If you play a track in your hotlist, say..."Drifters: Under the boardwalk" whether it's just into the headphones, or out to the audience - the "played" tick will appear beside the track in the hotlist to show "played". There is no way of removing the played tick from a played track - although, if you're seriously forgetful - there's nothing to stop you adding "Drifters: Under the boardwalk" to the hotlist again.



PM you later.

Hi Gary

Just to expand your going slooooooooow point above... I haven't had it with the new version, but I had it with V1200. My point is that it did it with the internal drive - NOT an external drive, so I would've assumed that the internal drive would've been quick enough?

I was hoping that the V1300 would fix this, as it is a REAL scarey time when it happens. Sometimes a quick pause and play fixes it, but sometimes it doesnt..

Now my problem with the V1300 is when I press PLAYLIST and +, the system just puts me into playlist mode - it doesn't add anything to the hotlist..

Any ideas?

Good to hear. You're correct in believing that the internal drive is fast enough for all sorts of data transfer at suitable speeds to avoid the sort of bottlenecks which we're talking of above. The only thing which I'm aware of which would have caused slow playback from internal HDD is database issues - which would have been cleared when the 2500 created the new database as part of the firmware upgrade procedure.









Ideas? Yes!



Try this (and sorry if this is what you've tried already.)



* Search for any song, any way you like, eg: by artist, title, bpm, year...any...



* when the song is highlighted on-screen (the 2500 screen), hold down the "Playlist" Button (as if it were a SHIFT key on a PC) and with that button still held down, press the Pitch bend "+" key, which is just below the Playlist button.



alternatively...



* Have a USB keyboard connected to the 2500



* Search for any song, any way you like, eg: by artist, title, bpm, year...any...



* when the song is highlighted on-screen (the 2500 screen), press the right hand arrow on the keyboard.





Again sorry if these are exactly what you've tried already.



Let me know how you get on.

Hi Gary

I haven't tried it with a keyboard yet, hoping that it would work with the unit itself - I ain't had a gig yet back in Blighty - the first is this weekend.

When I do what you suggest above with the 2500 itself, the second I press PLAYLIST, it immediately goes into playlist mode with the playlist light lit....

If I press pitch + and then PLAYLIST, it does exactly the same thing - Goes straight into PLAYLIST mode.. There is no way for this not to happen and its a little depressing...

My two initial thoughts are:

A) the firmware upgrade on your unit didnt complete.

B) the pitch bend + button isn't working.


For A) can you try re-loading the firmware either from internal hdd or pen drive etc. And for B), try using playlist button and + on the other side of the controller. (both buttons on the same side though...not left deck playlist button with right deck side pitch bend +) (I'm sure you wouldn't have done opposite sides buttons, but...)

Again, let me know how it goes

I have the same problem as Tonsk, although intermittently it'll work the way it should. The firmware is installed correctly and the pitch bend + is working perfectly.

thanks for that.

Are you able to define, in this context, what the intermittent-ness is? Eg: wave files vs mp3, files on internal drive vs files on an external drive...





thanks for that.

Are you able to define, in this context, what the intermittent-ness is? Eg: wave files vs mp3, files on internal drive vs files on an external drive...





thanks for that.

Are you able to define, in this context, what the intermittent-ness is? Eg: wave files vs mp3, files on internal drive vs files on an external drive...

Hi Gary,

I've just tried a broad test on internal drive and external using a selection of different mp3s. I used each file about 10 times in total one after the other using the playlist feature on the controller. Probably 6 or 7 times out of 10 it wouldn't work as should and resulted in the problem mentioned earlier. It made no difference whether the file was on the internal drive or external. Additionally, I tried ripping a few tunes in WAV format, placing the tune on both the internal hdd and external....and the same thing happens. The intermittentness (sp?) really is random with no set pattern.

Overall it's not really a problem for me as I've been using the keyboard up till now. It's just strange to say the least.

just installed the new firmware earlier before reading this ??? getting worried lol as it dosent seem to be working for people on here ! but as for the slowing problem and slowly correcting itself i have been having that problem since v1200up and am hopeing that 1300 was gonna sort it

as for the keyboard auto detecting im guessing someone just forgot about that feature when they were putting the firmware together lol but im guessing there will be a second release coming soon ???

as for the slow problem i will post on here if it is sorted as i think it might just have been the fact that i didnt re-create the databases after the last firmware upgrade cause it never done it when i first got the machine started only after the firmware upgrade so currently re-creating all databases internal & external now and will see how it goes this weekend

Good testing. Was all the testing done on just one side of the deck? Eg: Just using the left side controls.



Absolutely no one else, worldwide, has reported on a forum, or to Denon US or UK any intermittant Hot list adding. I'm suspecting the "Pitch bend +" button at the moment... , hence wondering if you'd been trying loading the hot list from both left and right sides of the unit (the idea being that having 2 pitch bend buttons "go", is less likely).



The sloooooow track playback if occuring on the internal drive is extremely uncommon, and I would suspect the one-off integrity of the internal drive if one started doing that - together with the overal intergrity of the files (VBR for example). Sloooow playback from external drives is most commonly down to the external drive not being able to pass data out, fast enough - usually due to the drive itself having "feature software" built-in (like one-button-press backup type features), or the enternal drive or hub only being USB powered as opposed to being fully powered from a mains power supply adaptor - or the hub being USB 1.0/1.1 rather than 2.0.

Hi Gary,

I've only tried it on the right had side so far. I'll give it a good test on both sides at tomorrows gig.

so far the new v1300 firmware has been great for me ( touch wood ) still a long weekend to go but first night out after upgrading new features working fine and no slow play whoo hoo

I never got round to testing it yesterday as I've had SERIOUS problems with music manager messing up my tags when updating database (a problem that a few people are having going by the denon forums)...but that's a whole new topic altogether. I'm starting to wish I'd bought a Numark.

I used V1300 over the weekend and had a nightmare with it..

Plugged my Maxtor directly into the 2500, not using a keyboard and when pressing the + button linked to the external drive it once again sped up, only fixable by resetting.

Plus whenever I tried opening a playlist, it firstly took its time to do so and then the characters kept disappearing until I went up a level and reselected.

The system IS upgraded - I did update it again to make sure and I still can't add files through PLAYLIST and + (didn't have the keyboard on).

HELP please.... I love the 2500 but it seems like V1300 didn't work....

Glad to read that you're enjoying your 2500. I used mine for 2 gigs over the weekend also, and like you, had no problems - thats over a dozen live gigs for me on the v1300 and all is good.. The 2500 and the firmware are both working fine for you and I and the vast majority.



Obviously, from reading the posts alongside yours two users here have a query or two. if their queries were related to the firmware, every user would be getting the same performance issues. I'll PM both Tonsk and Elite shortly.

still going well thats 4 nights in a row and it hasn't went slow yet !!! only 1 more night to go and thats a whole weekend whoo hoo !!!!

BUT oh dear the dreaded word lol have noticed a couple of little things but nothing major

1 as someone mentioned earlier if you enter an artist and go back it takes ya right back and ya gotta type your search again if you had that artist a couple of times on your list and entered the wrong one the first time ( but only a little annoying as it only takes 5 seconds to search again ) and i'm sure that can be sorted out in the future .

also did notice the machine froze up a bit when searching never did before ??? but again only for about 10 or 15 sec's and i put that down to the fact that it had been idle for about an hour as i still use cd's and keep more resent clubby stuff in cd for mixing and it only seemed to happen then

but i think as with all new technology it will always have a couple of minor glitches but i'm sure the guys at denon will be working on the next release already

the kit is still very new but the fact that it is instantly upgradable means that through time and peoples feedback of what they would like to see it be able to do it will probably replace the cd's aventually

Glad to read you're enjoying the lack of slowing and other features in the new firmware.

you're right about domant time/inactivity causing your remaining performance problem - but its the external hard drive causing it. Some external drives have a spindown or sleep timer on them eg: the drive thinks "hmmm I've not been asked to read or write anything for the last fx minutes, I'll stop my motor and have a snooze. I'll spin my motor back up to reading speeds in a few long seconds after something out there asks me to read or write again".

I don't know which external drive you use but the Seagate freeagenrs are one if the worst for this sleep mode - some of their range enter sleep after only 15 mins if idle time. Luckily most well known makes of external hard drive have software which can be used on a home PC to switch off such performance affecting features. I'd recommend visiting your external hard drives manufactures website and checking for their utility software downloads.


Switching off the sleep mode on your external drive should cure your percieved problem with playing and searching on a drive which has been unused for xx minutes.

500 gb maxtor drive but as i mentioned the couple of little things arnt big issues as i usually try and cue up my next track well before the last 20 seconds of the last one lol

still enjoy using cd's too but the 2500 is great for a mass storage player , gives you great control over mp3's including seemless loop (great when doing karaoke and the singer is taking ages getting up when you call them ) but also for mixing with all the usual controls you need

not trying to start the laptop / controller war but i found it much easier to set up 2 cd'players , hd2500 , and a 4 channel desk than the whole laptop with 2 soundcards to give 2 seperate outputs so you can cue up the next track

also just a little point about the firmware upgrade not working properly !!!

microsoft have been working on updates for windows for how long now ??? and its still not great lol its always been and probably will be unstable and unpredictable

definatally great !!! 5 nights in a row no probs , never done a full week yet when it didnt give me a slow one

big thumbs up here

Eazy

What could possibly be easier than turning my laptop on, opening media player and setting the crossfade to 10 seconds?

Can you surf the internet with your HD2500 and did it cost £200?????

Just being the devils advocate lol

Hi Rev!

I agree it's easy with a laptop, but the HD2500 allows you to be creative with your mixing and not just let the laptop crossfade. Same goes for a lot of other systems like Serato and so on.

The HD2500 is literally like having 2 CD decks (albeit mp3) that you can use to beatmix, scratch, use effects, whatever you want because you are doing the work. The fun is pulling off a great mix, keeping the crowd on the floor and upping the vibe.

Now I will be the first to admit that you don't need to mix YMCA into Love Shack, but there are plenty of tunes that lend themselves to mixing together, let's say 4 Minutes and The Way I Are for example, both popular tunes.

I myself use a laptop for background music early on, so i can have a drink and a chat and plan the nights playlist (if I haven't done already), then switch to the HD2500 when people start to want to dance, so that I can create a mix.
I find a couple of things about the laptop annoying ...
1. It sometimes gets the start and points logically wrong in my opinion. Some songs you want to play right to the end and drop the start of the next right on the last note of the previous. Also when you get quiet bits on the start of songs it can be annoying. e.g. I Don't Feel Like Dancing This doesn't matter so much at the start of the night in my opinion as people are chatting and having drink.
2. It's often not easy to control the speed/pitch of the song. Many songs are too slow in my opinon to be danceable. We Are Family and Dancing Queen both need a bit of lift in terms of speed as they tend to become a bit ploddy I find. I play them on +4% ish. I played Usher - Love In This Club on +10% the other day and have done with PCD - Buttons. The HD2500 has Key Control which means the track doesn't sound like pinky and perky.

If you want to stick to the laptop (I THINK YOU DO! LOL) then I recommend you try out a piece of software called Mixmeister. The Express version is cheap (£25), you can use it like Mediaplayer but allows you to create your own mixes perfectly beatmatched. It also does crossfading ;-). It analyses the mp3's in a more intelligent way than Media Player to produce really good results. You can also burn your mixes to mp3/cd. It is used to make mixes to fitness training. Download the trial version, have a play, throw a few dance and Rnb Tracks at it.
The Fusion version although more expensive is even better in a live environment and although expensive, one gig and it is paid for.

All the best.

I used to use a laptop as well as CD's and would say that yes using media player is easy but as mentioned in the previous post, you will find that some songs that start slow will kill the vibe on the dance floor and you just do not have the creativity.

I'm not suggesting that you don't put on a great show but for me personally when I am pitching my services over the phone, I actually justify my higher fees by the fact that I don't sit behind a laptop, I actually mix and explain that the person booking is getting a club standard DJ for their do using top end equipment.

Even when mixing 80s or 60s, I use the loop functions on the denon to make a better mix.

Example, I was playing an 80s tune and I looped the first 2 bars of Yazoo - Don't go. I played this looped over the other tune then cut to yazoo and killed the loop. People were looking up as they could hear that I was doing something different.

Also, what about teasing the dance floor with a bar of the next tune that is about to come in to get a reaction?

It isn't just dance music that you can beatmix and for me the Denon allows me to show off my DJ skills, now obviosuly song selection, mic technique and a whole range of other things are important to give a good performance but for me, I found using a laptop just didn't allow me to be as good as I was when using proper CDJ's.

I can't rate the Denon enough, I was thinking of getting an external controller and better software for the laptop but in the end had a go on a denon in store and that was it, after 5 mins I was hooked and ordered one the next day!

Since I've been using it, I've had some great feedback and find I enjoy doing the events much more.

I'm a big fan as you can tell and honestly think the denon brings mobile dj'ing in to the 21st Century :-)

Beatmix?
Scratch?
Effects?

Lol

Simple simple simple for me lol

In my opinion for what it's worth people couldn't give a monkeys lol. Maybe if your in a club but in all honesty are you going to do that at a wedding??? Or a 40th?

Lifts in terms of speed? - I just advocate that the way a track was produced is the way I play it, the same as people who cut the beginning off tracks.

Unless you are a club DJ people just what to hear the music played and not messed about with.

In my opinion anyway

Has a punter ever come up me and said "you weren't mixing you were rubbish" errrrr no. The same as the whole equipment debate like people are bothered about your setup.

As you said Rev, its all a matter of opinion and it's good that we are all different.

As for a wedding or 40th, I would mix if it demanded it music wise, if there was a lot of dance / rnb for example. Rnb is very popular at the moment of course. More likely I would use the machine to cue up the right point and drop tracks in at the right point to hold the dancefloor.

I also take your point about not messing around with the music, and I think your are right so you should limit your creativity to enhancing the vibe not upsetting it and that is about reading your audience. aaa points out that you can tease the audience with the next tune. I do this too, mostly to good effect, even the 'diddy dadada' bit on Saturday Night. When the track drops they are ready and waiting.

Media Player is simple and does the job, so you are never going to get criticised for that by the audience, and as it's free from a business perspective it makes sense, but to be honest I personally would find it boring to work with. I like to test my own abilities I love to see the crowds reaction when I do something well. If I liked football it would be like scoring a goal.

The same can be said for equipment. Most lights work perfectly well Sound To Light, but I have mine DMX'd. Why do I do it ? Well just for that extra bit of control. Nice and slow for the smoochies, fast for the dance stuff, strobe when I tell them too, not when they want to. I can do all this with just 2 lights if i want, though I do carry more for variety.
I'll bet that the audience don't even know I have control over my lights, but I don't really care, because I believe that it brings that little bit extra to my show when done right.
I know all this stuff costs money, but i'm not in it for the money. It's a passionate hobby, which is why I charge probably too little and give good service for it.

Fair play each to their own lol

oops did i start something lol think there comments maybe need moved to another thread as this is meant to be about the firmware upgrade sorry gary

but the rev is right if you are doing what he is then laptop is easy to set up but if you wanna be able to cue tracks to the right place while playing another you need 2 sound cards and loads of leads for laptop maybe external hd at least 1 external sound card

where as my hd2500 is all hardwired into a flight case so just open the box and plug in 1 plug simple

but i agree that it just depends on the work you are doing working in ressys its important to be able to do a bit of mixing as every young lad in the place thinks they are a better dj than you are so you need to put them in there place now and again lol

so when your just playing tunes they rip the back outta you cause quote anyone can do that your not a dj

now that is a lie if you are being payed to play the tunes that makes you a dj but now in some young peoples eyes ! there are lots of times where im not doing anything very advanced at all cause as we all know the dj showing off dosent mean the crowd will have a great night but every now and again you need to prove you can do it you just dont need to

I think VJ'ing is also a great leap into the 21st Century...hang on...we are here! Mixing tracks is nice on any system be it CD audio, mp3 controller and the like, but mixing and manipulating the moving image is just another incredible method of entertainment and presentation!!!
I know I've asked and mentioned before but when are Denon going to release the AV version of the controller system?

Well now...that would be mentioned on a whole new thread if/when such a piece of equipment were launched.



Mind you I've seen both the DN-HD2500 and the DN-HC4500 being used to control video on a fairly high end desktop PC outputing to a pair of 42'' LCD panels - so you could use either of these Denon's or for tabletop/flatbed style deck control, you can also use the DN-HS5500 direct drive platter / Hard Drive controller / MIDI controller, or the even newer DN-S1200 CD deck, Hard Drive Controller and MIDI controller to control something like PCDJ VJ, today.

I would buy it if it could take my performance to the next level. Give us a few more hints Gary ... is something coming ?

Hi Gary

Any news on my problem? Can I revert mine to V1200 as am worried about it for this weekend....

Some news - and it's not looking like a V1300 issue. I'll PM you.



Tony - your PM box is either full, or off.

You have issues with some Denon software?? Suely not this only happens to Domestic laptop or so I was informed a while back....

Nik

It does happen a lot more frequently to Laptops so you're right there Nik!!

not mine chap used PC disco systems for over 10 years and never let me down... How ever Record Decks and CD players were a pain.... Lets be honest a denon is a glorified computer with software and USB connections that could go wrong....

Its a badge thing IMHO

Nik

Too many responses here to review, but have they upgraded the rather small 40gb internal memory issues?

Absolutely right Tonsk.



The problem with PC's and Laptops which the professional hard drive controllers, like the Denon, the Cortex, and the Numark all bypass is the pic'n'mix heirarchy which domestic stuff is based on: Having the operating system supplied by one place, the processor from somewhere else, the motherboard and its BIOS from yet another company, the sound card from some other place, "DJ" software from yet another place... every different supplier is just like another reel on a fruit machine. Everytime an upgrade goes through, everytime you add a new bit, everytime you load a new piece of software .... you're effectively popping a coin in the fruit machine, and pulling the handle.



Consider this: BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Rolls Royce... What if you could buy cars in the same bits'n'pieces way that a PC could be bought.... "I''d like that green BMW gear box, that number 6 Porsche engine, that Mercedes body and ...oh um that Rolls Royce ermm dashboard. . you fill it up with extra special unleaded petrol and off you go - perfect motoring....apart from whenever you try going up steep hills. Which bit is causing the hill issue? No-ones going to know - they each know, and trust their bit, but all the other 3rd party bits?...well.



On the Professional Harddrive Controllers, each particular model is identical - for example: The Numark D2....every D2 will have the same mother/main PCB board, every D2 will have the same base processor, every D2 will have the same amount of processing memory, every D2 with Numark firmware ver 2 will behave, deliver and perform exactly the same as any other D2 with Numark firmware ver 2 - that's the out-of-the-box awe that wins out time and time again. Take two D2's out of their boxes and both will run the night the same as each other. . I've heard accounts from one Hard Drive Controller owner who bought 2 Hard drive controllers after he had terrible troubles with 2 systems which he bought (one for him, one for his son). He bought both from the same well known shop, on the same day, the make was very well known (in a good way, I mean), both were identical....literally, he walked in after doing his homework beforehand and said to the purple-clad propieter - "two of those please". The serial numbers were only a couple of hundred number part too.



He loaded them with his chosen original DJ software package (2 licences) etc...no other software loaded - no internet, no updates, no virus killing - no tweaks or tickboxes checked differently.



Bottom line - one system played up, the other didn't.



Evenutally, they noticed that while both systems had the same amount of memory, and the same capacity of disc drive, those items were different on each machine eg: something like Corsair memory in one system, and Crucial memory in the other - both good makes (like BMW, Rolls Royce etc) but they just didn't quite perform well enough for a good 5 hours of solid music in conjunction with the other bits inside the systems. .



Good "DJ" software, good processor, good motherboard, good soundcard, good operating system. all can be rock solid, well-built, well-known items in themselves, but just not play well together, as part of a larger machine. This is the primary revelation with Professional Hard Drive Controllers - every key internal piece is there supplied by the sole manufactuer. Only the external devices such as user-chosen cheap'n'cheerful hub, or a user-chosen hand-me-down external hard drive can sway that "any two units out of the box will perform the same as each other" rock-solidarity.







Hi Norfolk DJ - The V1300 refered to in the topic title refers to the new firmware for the Denon DN-HD2500. The hardware is still the same as everyone is used to, including the 40gb internal drive - which is good for around 1100 uncompressed WAV tunes, or around 6000 to 12000 MP3 tunes (depending on the quality/Kbps encoding/compression of the MP3 files)



The DN-HD2500 has always allowed up to four external hard drives to be added, in addition to the internal drive (making 5 altogether) with upto 50,000 tracks per drive - allowing over 200,000 tracks to be instantly searchable and near-instantly cued - all with USB Qwerty keyboard searching etc.

Can you share it with the forum?