just thought I warn you breakdancing is apparantly making a comeback. My son came home from college and was telling me about his friends spinning on their backs and body popping. Looks like I'll have to dust off my Rocksteady Crew singles!!!

did it ever really go away! Jason nevins has a lot to answer for!

I always tell people to breakdance at all my gigs because it saves the cleaners coming in in the morning

Why does everyone assume that break dancing started with Hip Hop, back in the early 70's dancers were poping, spinning on their heads etc at place like the Wigan Casino, to Northern Soul

so Soul Music is the basis of everything good

Yeah! Johnny Vaughans northern sould patrol with their lino...... sure that had something to do with the old breakdancing comeback! I got bought a "teach yourself to breakdance" video... point slide, point slide

what else sin! point slide was the instructions for moonwalking! You should see me doing a full head spin!

I tried to do the caterpillar once and had to refraine from sexual activity for a while, never again !

do you wanna borrow my video scotty! Its safe!

no thanks my break dancing days are behind me now thankfully I didnt do any lasting damage.

I had a guy, roll down some stairs then he was on his back spinning around whilst i was playing Run DMC its like that, what can i say? Fun to watch tho

Its like that and thats the way it is
uuuuuhhhh

beat street movie with afrika baabaataa and the soul sonic force & check out the new york city breakers and what about breakdance ozone and turbo

Sorry i like soul music but i dont think it is the start of everything good,breakdance has been trying to make a comeback here since bomfunk mcs did freestylin, and thats 4 or 5 years ago so its takin its time

Cheers for that C.S

yeh i agree, well maybe with Michael Jackson coming back(november 24th;)) then maybe wen he starts it all again, ppl will see how cool it is!!!!!

Same as DJ Kray, I've noticed a few crowds breaking on the dance floor recently, one for a fight and one for someone trying to do the caterpillar on broken bottles!

Caterpillar on bottles


that guy must of been insane, cos that wud just kill

it wud cut u open..


OW!


there are some idiots in this world!!!!!

Smooth criminal ross! Point slide, point slide - the words from a world famous choreographer to ensure that the dynamics of moonwalking were given a simple explanation! What do you do with your feet when you moonwalk then - pointing and sliding are the basic steps of moonwalking! Quite often the simplest explanations are the easiest to follow!

I totally agree with ian on the wigan front too!

Can I just say that Michael Jackson is not the be all and end all.. hes had his day, and its time to move on... yes he did do some brill stuff - this is a dj forum not the MJ appreciation society!

SCR - we are here to debate and we all have our opinions - perhaps when aiming comments at extremely highly regarded members such as Ian it should be done with a little more respect. I would urge you to think before you post - before telling members that some of their statements are crap!

quote from the pasadena's " James brown ...... how he slides i don't know"

and as we were talking about moon walking question who was the first to perform it on TV?

wasnt it some guy from shalamar?

Paula,

thanks for bringing the james brown up, i was hoping someone would, ( I didn't want to sound like a know all)

Michael Jackson & the jackson 5 learnt most of their Dance Moves from watching James brown on Stage at the Appollo, before I am shot down, that is a quote on from MJ on James Brown's life story

thats the guy, who remember that TOTP performance in early 82

thats the one paula! Didnt MJ also steal the idea of wearing white gloves so that his hand movements could be seen more easily by the crowd from sammy davis junior?

Kazz,

I think you're right, & he nicked it from Al Jolson

This could go on for ever,elements of breakdancing were also elements of wigan soul which were elements of gymnastics which were also used by clowns and trapeeze artists and mime artistes so we are now back to the late 1800s.Its very difficult to put a date to it,moonwalking probably comes from the shuffling dance style of early blues artistes.

well..... no point slide.. who am I and a millionaire xs a few choreographer to argue with you! For myself I have taught more than a few mates to breakdance - or more uptodate - street dance... I cant quite recall how many classes I have taught, but would imagine it runs into 1000s of pupils who have always grasped the concept of point slide with their feet. But there again, its a long time since I have been at school.

should do a thread on who thinks MJ has had his day... invincible didnt do very well did it! Yes, as a DJ i do play billie jean occasionally.... some people love it... some dont... same with any other artist really.

Before this gets into real drag... can I just say that having an opinion is one thing, you are entitled to it, but remember it is only your opinion, and as such should not be rammed down the throat of other members. Having read your posts SCR before you edited them, can I remind you that we have no room for people who are offensive. You seem to have riled a few professionals who have been in the business for many many years and I would ask you that if you enter into debate with people who have enormous experience of the industry, you do it slightly different from how you would act in the playground.

I guess there seems to be a "difference" of opinions within the ranks!!!

alritey then, 2 many threads to quote from and answer so i'll just have to answer it as best as i possible can!

I am always willing to learn, JD, oh touring the UK, and? THat still doesnt answer the question on the cash, and on the Album side of things?


Yes Ian stewart, u are saying "facts" thats ok, but i too, am speaking facts, i have not said "Michael Jackson is a god" cos that is an opinon. but i say "Thriller" is the biggest selling album of all time, thats a fact, i know the difference, we're taught it in Media.

And Kaz, Invincible, i shudda known, some1 was gonna drag that up, cos hell why not, easy chance to go along with the press and slag it off, before going into the FACTS(arent they great!)

Invincible sold 10 Million Copies.
Justified(Justin TImberlake) sold 10 Million Copies.

Just remind me where people say Justified didnt do well? I aint seen anyone yet.

Now, is it because, his name is Michael Jackson, and because 10 Million isnt good by MICHAEL JACKSON standards? becos if any artists today sold 10 million albums, they wud be pleased! but no, its MJ, its only 10 Million, not the usual 20+.

Well sorry, he is human, and doesnt produce records ALL the time(unless wen hes touring)

Thanks!

Geez - I take a few hours off and look what happens.

Karen, he's 16 and he likes Michael Jackson just give him a break. Whatever you say right or wrong won't stop the lad from defending him.

Ross - Karen is *Ahem*, *cough* not polite to say a ladies age, but lets just say that she is a lot more older than you and more experienced and with age comes respect. She may not be 100% correct, in your eyes but she is equally entitled to her opinion as you are. Karen's comment was on a Celebrity continuously in the public eye but not present on this forum, and it wasn't a direct or personal attack made on you!.

Let's not let emotions and opinions make us lose track here. This is a forum and you are always going to get somebody who has differing views and opinions to you thats the whole point if its existance. Non of it is done out of spite, and if you take offence purely from somebody's right to express an opinion that differs from your own, then that is YOUR problem!.

I'm all for freedom of speech, and for letting heated topics run their course but when it starts becoming personal and a free for all then it ends - NOW.

Thanks Chris


I apologise for being sarcastic

i was just annoyed becos it seemd like u were sticking up for him, when i hadnt really done owt wrong, then.

got even more annoyed with the whole JD and accusing MJ of being "past it" and stealing ppls ideas!

I just say this one last thing about him in here, and its about Invincible, cos i really do get angry, when ppl say it didnt do well.

Invincible sold 10 million copies Fact
Justified(JT) sold 10 million copies FACT

now, in the papers/radio/tv where does it say justified was a flop? it doesnt.

most artists wud be happy to sell 10 million albums.

However, cos his name is MJ, they assume he shud be selling 20 Million + each time, well it just dont happen.

Thank u for your time, whether i come back here or not, is another thing, becos i know how u feel about me now, but thanks again Chris.

I think it's best we switched the lights off on this one and put it bed!! Incidently I have had a word with my son "Smooth Criminal Ross" and fined him two months pocket money for being cheeky. He does feel quite passionately about the guy as shown by his comments unfortunately not everyone shares the same feeling. I've told him to lighten up a bit and allow people to feel free to voice their opinions especially as he is learning the aspects of becoming a mobile DJ. I apologise on behalf of my sons' lack of respect and hope any further posts will be made with a bit more thought.-----------------Thank You

Thanks Loz... dont fine him his pocket money - thats a bit harsh!

Well my two cents I think Michael Jackson is great and would love for him to make a good comeback I did not like the invincible album but have loved every other album he has made as for breakdancing I think it's great when people can do it well

I also like MJ,JB,MGB,TCP and JCB and it was kind of sad to watch and see that peoples communications skills led to sweeping statements and everybody got mad: I am sure breakdancing ,footsie,M Jackson and James Brown have influenced many things good but they nearly started a war here!

Nah, as Karen said don't "fine" him. He was just sticking up for his opinions and that isn't a crime. It was more the comments he made rather then his beliefs which caused the problems.

I think everybody has had their say, and its time to move on to the next thread.