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This has already been a topic on one of the security forums I visit. This feature is more of a gimmick than an actual 100% working feature . The likelyhood of anybody using Kazaa from www.riaa.org is slim, they use freelance snoops working from home all over the world using Dial up or Cable connections with dynamic I.Ps' and Since their I.P's will change everytime they connect to the internet it would be impossible to block them.

For instance Myself and the Mods rely on a different way of blocking troublemakers from the forum since it would be impossible to do it by IP alone. For instance one day your IP may be 217.234.45.67 the next it could be 81.134.56.75!

Apparently so! and I must admit I had a lot of strange activity going on using the orignal Kazza but not no more!!!!(off course I only use it on the rare occasion)

Who pay's for downloads? anyone? and is so from who?

But it most certainly is worrying with whats going on at the moment and the people that are loosing there jobs as well, through loss of sales, I read recently about polydor laying off there staff and I had friends who worked for EMI that lost there's too! not very nice is it!

Well, that could be as a result of an economic downturn and political or money saving reasons rather than direct result of MP3 Pirating. I've mentioned before the story of the Matrix Reloaded film appearing on kazaa before the release date, and the whining from the film industry that the pirates were taking the bread from their mouths etc. The film was released and went on to break all box office records - now how you can accuse a set of people for killing the film industry and then take a record breaking amount at the box office remains a mystery to me!.

Online companies which sell Original CD's cheaper than the high street seem to be doing very well - profits are up!. Interestingly note the addresses of these companies! - they are all offshore or out of the UK. Could it be the amount of tax that we pay which is doing the damage rather than the Pirates?. Fuel, CD's etc - all higher priced in this country than in the U.S?. You mention friends who have lost their Jobs at EMI would this be the UK operation?. Interesting to see that many of the redundancies are NOT happening in the US - who have a bigger proportion of pirates then the UK! .

I'm not condoning pirates, but don't believe everything you read. The media tell is that manufacturing is on the up, yet ERF, a local Truck manufacturing firm (one of the biggest employers in this area) has just closed, with 1000 redundancies and nothing to do with Pirates or Kazaa!.

There are places where you can download Music legally, and talk of more online subscription services in the future. This is where your Jobs are likely to be lost, since there will no longer be need for physical CD's and all perfectly legal!. Blaming Pirating for the loss of music industry Jobs is the same as blaming Email and the Internet for killing the post office and closing high street banks.

Well naturally they would. The word "Redundancy" is an emotive and powerful weapon and in an industry which has technically resorted to little more than hacking and suing a 12 year old kid to solve their problems wouldn't think twice about using Redundancy and file share in the same sentence as an excuse!. Morally Is what they are resorting to any better than the pirates?.

Why is Kazza and other sites still up and running?, had it been a site dedicated to racism or Child porn then quite rightly it would be closed immediately, so if file sharing is that illegal then why hasn't the US government stepped in and closed it?.

A similar argument erupted when the Tape Recorder was introduced and the price of tapes fell , and believe me, more people owned a tape deck in the 80's and 90's and used it to record music than those people of today, who have access to the internet and download. Yet the industry didn't suffer then, why the problems now?.

I suppose it has something to do with the fact that with mp3 minidisk and cds you can make perfect copys which you could not do with tape also you had to get hold of a original copy of the song to copy it, now you can just download any song in a few secs

I'd have let go of it by about the 2nd day...I get so clumsy when Im tired.

So much of the whole copyright "thing" is shrouded in mystery...and I wouldnt put it past "them" to do what they can to keep it that way. EG: If we dont know the real answer, we'll fear the worst.

Also, turning a "blind eye" (or should that be a "deaf ear") to trivial issues (trivial to them that is) seems to be par (can) for the course.

I have written emails to several copyright organisations stating my situation of wanting to KEEP my original vinyls, but record ONE copy of each of them to CD. I've also mentioned that I would then take the CD's out to DJ with.

Replies NONE in over 3 months... Read Receipts(proving the email got there): 4 out of the 6 I've sent.

If I was to email them all again and lie my head off, saying that I've just made 200 copies of "Now 55", to sell at some local car boot sale...I'd probably get an early morning visit, and be able to ask them face-to-face...but then they might be just a little bias (Chrome/Metal?)

I'm all for finding out an answer to a question - if this is one way of doing it - great.

But I think we have to go thru a few possibilities and possible 'outcomes' as a result of such an action, and should choose the 'wording' of the email very carefully.
Remember recently - the first 911 individuals investigated for music and software downloads were people registered with a P2P sharing provider (USA).

If I forward an email to such a provider, who knows who will 'follow-up' the sender at a latter date?!?

(1) Cyberatlantis

(2) Hushmail

The current situation with regards to radio stations and PPL is that each station has to pay PPL a fee to dub a recording onto say a computer database.

I don't want to give figures away, but each station pays 'xx' number of pence per copyrighted track that they hold on a computer.

I very much doubt PPL would be willing to give DJs a similar license whereby each business would be able to hold say 5,000 songs on a laptop/computer for playout and they pay a fee to PPL for this database. However, if PPL would introduce this it would mean that in effect you are paying the royalty fees to the artistes in question via PPL and not over the record store counter. BUT, knowing what PPL are like, I very much doubt they will do this as PPL still want radio stations to hold a legal copy of the song as well as paying a fee for the dubbing onto a computer. Alas, this would mean that even if DJs could get a dubbing licnese they would still have to hold a copy of the original CD/cassette/record/MD as PPL do not allow you to use Kazaa to download and then think that you can pay the royalties via their dubbing fee.

Overall, I do not think DJs will ever get one of these dubbing licenses as PPL do not have the people to manage this type of scheme.

May I add that I am in no way associated with PPL, however, I have had to take a keen interest in PPL matters through another issue I am involved with.

Hope this helps,

DJJ

Hi partychris,

As far as I am aware, the venue, whether it be a scout hall, pub or club has to have a Public Performance License from PPL. In most cases, when an establishment applies for a license to sell alcohol they apply for the PPL license at the same time.

However, I do believe that it is possible for a DJ to apply to have their own PPL license which will allow them to ply their trade (play music) in a venue that does not currently have a Public Performance License.

I have never had to apply for a license because I will only work in establishments that have a PPL license.

However, it makes me wonder how many places that have the radio on (like in a garage) or in the workplace also have a PPL license - in the eyes of PPL they should have one!

I have heard that the government wants to introduce new rules regarding the performance of music (possibly live music) and I don't know if this would apply to DJs. However, I cannot be too sure about this. You'd probably need to speak to the Musicians Union or some other similar body as they will be more aware of this issue than me.

Hope this helps,

DJJ

They dont need one as the radio station have a liscence. You dont need to pay for the privelidge of playing music twice. The radio station have their liscence to allow them to play music to listeners. Whether those listeners are at home or at work makes no difference. It only matters if it is considered as a form of entertainment i.e. in a pub or club.

There are three liscences that are needed for it to be legal to play copyrighted music in public (be it in a bar/club/village hall etc).

PEL - Public entertainments liscence
PRS - Performing rights society liscence
PPL - Phonographic performance licence

If a venue does not have a liscence, you need all three of these in order for it to be legal (for a disco or karaoke).

In effect, even playing a radio in a garage waiting area, you need a license. It has nothing to do with the radio station having a license or not. The garage or other business in question should have a PPL license.

As for getting a PPL license for the DJ, check out: http://www.ppluk.com

There's a form to download and this site will answer many of the questiones raised here.

Hope this helps.

DJJ

Have to disagree with you here Johnny............. it is a fact that in the Uk if you use music that the public can hear you need a licence ........ no matter what the radio station holds!

Hairdressers, dental surgeries, garages etc are visited on an all too regular basis to ensure the premises are licensed to perform music!

The Spindoctor

Now this is a whole new can of worms you are opening

I think that there are members of this forum who have asked this same question and if I remember correctly it went something like this... The legit download sites said that they were not permitted to use the music they have download for the purposes of DJing - I think it had something to do with making money from the use of the music.

I'm sure the members in this forum (I think it was this forum!) who read the thread or who received a reply will be able to help in this matter. From what I gather though, the basic answer I heard was 'no.'

Hope this helps,

DJJ