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Tonsk
Howdy all

Have a playlist now for a wedding next week (28th) where they have specified NO REQUESTS and I have to play their tracks only (or ones I think will compliment them) - A glorified jukebox +.

After meeting the groom, he seems a massive Weller fan, and likes Stone Roses, Charlatans, Oasis and suchlike.

Is there anything else you can recommend?

If I play every song they have asked for, I only need about 40 mins of music, which I have an idea on what I am gonna play but I thought Id ask to see if there is anything you guys can think of..

MUST PLAY:-------------------3 Selections---------------12-Minutes-----------
Artist--------------------Song------------------------------Note
Al Green ----------------Let's Stay Together------------Second-Dance
Elton John------------------Your Song----------------------Third-Dance
Oasis-----------------------Champagne-Supernova-------First-Dance

PLAY IF POSSIBLE:-------------72 Selections-------------4 Hours, 48 Minutes
Artist-----------------------------------Song
ABBA-----------------------------------Dancing Queen
ABBA----------------------------------Mamma Mia
ABBA----------------------------------S.O.S
ABBA----------------------------------Waterloo
Andy Williams----------------------Can't Take My Eyes Off You
Arctic Monkeys---------------------I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor
Basement Jaxx---------------------Red Alert
Basement Jaxx--------------------Rendez Vu
Beatles, The------------------------Love Me Do
Beatles, The------------------------She Loves You
Beyoncé Feat. Jay-Z---------------Crazy in Love
Cast---------------------------------Guiding Star
Dexy's Midnight Runners----------Come On Eileen
Faithless-----------------------------Mass Destruction
Frank Sinatra----------------------Come Fly With Me
Frank Sinatra----------------------Fly Me To The Moon
Frank Sinatra----------------------For Once In My Life
Frank Sinatra----------------------Mack The Knife
Frank Sinatra----------------------New York, New York
Gorillaz-------------------------------Dirty Harry
Gorillaz-------------------------------Feel Good Inc
Happy Mondays-------------------Step On
House of Pain----------------------Jump Around
Jam, The----------------------------Town Called Malice
James--------------------------------Sit Down
Jamie Cullum----------------------I Get A Kick Out of You
Jamie Cullum----------------------What A Difference A Day Made
Jamiroquai--------------------------Cosmic Girl
Jamiroquai--------------------------Little L
Jamiroquai--------------------------Love Foolosophy
Jamiroquai--------------------------Space Cowboy
Jamiroquai--------------------------Virtual Insanity
Jamiroquai--------------------------You Give Me Something
Kanye West------------------------Gold Digger
Killers, The--------------------------Mr Brightside
Killers, The--------------------------Somebody Told Me
Kylie Minogue----------------------Love At First Sight
La's, The-----------------------------There She Goes
Leo Sayer---------------------------You Make Me Feel Like Dancing
Lightning Seeds, The----------------Marvellous [7-Version]
Oasis----------------------------------Come On Feel The Noize
Oasis----------------------------------She's Electric
Oasis----------------------------------Wonderwall
Ocean Colour Scene-----------------100 Mile High City
Outkast-------------------------------Hey Ya!
Paul Weller---------------------------Broken Stones
Paul Weller-------------------------- The Changingman
Peggy Lee---------------------------Winter Wonderland
Police, The--------------------------Message In A Bottle
Police, The--------------------------Roxanne
Pulp-----------------------------------Common People
Queen--------------------------------Bicycle Race
Queen--------------------------------Don't Stop Me Now
Razorlight---------------------------America
Razorlight--------------------------Golden Touch
Razorlight--------------------------In the Morning
Rod Stewart-----------------------Handbags & Gladrags
Rolling Stones---------------------I Can't Get No Satisfaction
Scissor Sisters---------------------Filthy Gorgeous
Scissor Sisters----------------------Laura
Slade--------------------------------Merry-Christmas-Everybody
Spiller-------------------------------Groovejet (If This Ain't Love)
Stereophonics----------------------Have A Nice Day
Steve Harley---------------------Make Me Smile (Come Up And See Me)
Tavares----------------------------Heaven Must Be Missing An Angel
Texas-------------------------------Halo
The Jam---------------------------That's Entertainment
The Rolling Stones-------------- Sympathy For The Devil
U2--------------------------------- Elevation
Van Morrison-------------------- Brown Eyed Girl
Who, The------------------------- My Generation
Zutons, The---------------------- Valerie

DO-NOT-PLAY:--------6-Selections-
Artist----------------------------- Song-----------------------------Note
Britney Spears------------------ (You-Drive-Me)-Crazy-------No Britney at all
Five------------------------------- Keep on Movin--------------No Five at all
Robbie Williams----------------- Rock DJ-----------------------No Robbie Williams at all
S Club 7-------------------------- Reach------------------------No S-Club 7 at all
Steps------------------------------Tragedy----------------------No Steps at all
Take That------------------------ Re-Light-My-Fire-------------No Take That at all

Now they have told me that all the guests know that the music will be tracks that they have asked for, but I do think there will be some audience not happy with the selection.........
bluejools
For me....

i would love that playlist. Good, varied, easy to stick to. I am there to please them after all.


I dont like not taking requests.... but do it if asked.


IIs all happy/poppy (mostly), I think you will have a great night

Not sure there is time for recommending anything - other than more Jam
Andy Westcott
Quote:
"(or ones I think will compliment them)"

There's your get-out clause, then. smile.gif

No problem with this playlist that I can see.
TonyB
There is enough of a mix so that any guest that doesn't like a genre won't have to tolerate it for long. I would include monster - Automatic and I don't feel like dancing - scissor sisters.
BigBen
The songs they have requested not to play are all fairly popular wedding party tracks - I interpret this as them trying to steer clear of your typical wedding cheese.

As for complimentary songs...I like to play Jet (Are You Gonna be my Girl) into Mr Brightside. Kaiser Chiefs (Predict a Riot), Reef (Hands On), Black Crows (Hard to Handle) - excellent segway from 60's/soul to 90's indie - Primal Scream (Rocks) and Sleeper (Inbetweener) are all good indie stuff.

They mention two Scissor Sister tracks but not the 'big' one. That one should fill the floor.

A bit of Tina Turner (Nutbush), Supergrass, Kinks,

Also, make sure that U2's Elevation is the Tomb Raider remix.

A lot of nice music is on the list, but not a good selection at all; too many tracks by the same artists in my opinion.
shakermaker
I could work with that list easily! I wish someone would ask me to do something like that at a wedding.

I agree with above, add in 'Monster' by The Automatic. I played it last night at a christmas party and they loved it.

Why not try adding these too -

The Fratellis - Chelsea Dagger
The Farm - Altogeather Now
Stereo MC's - Connected
ian .
Throw in the Norman Cook mix of 'Brimful Of Asha' by Cornershop.
Paul Smith
QUOTE(BigBen @ Dec 22 2006, 02:45 PM)

A lot of nice music is on the list, but not a good selection at all; too many tracks by the same artists in my opinion.


Too much Jamiroquai for my liking but apart from that I could work with that list adding the Fratellis, a bit more Who (Won't get fooled again) and Jam (Going Underground) and poss including The Undertones & Ramones.
wizard
That playlist is much better than the one I have for tomorrow night.

Im the urban spaceman - Bonzo dog doodah band
Beatles - I am the walrus.

and it goes downhill from their sadwalk.gif
johny k
QUOTE(wizard @ Dec 22 2006, 09:00 PM)

That playlist is much better than the one I have for tomorrow night.

Im the urban spaceman - Bonzo dog doodah band
Beatles - I am the walrus.

and it goes downhill from their sadwalk.gif


tell you what if any customer gave me a list that long id tell them to stick it where the monkey shoves its nuts whats wrong with you lot your djs not gaufers a few yes , but all them i dont think so
Jimbo55
johny K

You are obviously at the pinnacle of your career and people worship the ground you walk on. In which case you are entitled to have an ego that will allow you to become rude and obnoxious to your customers. Can you tell me what Major world class club venue you are Hosting/ Performing at, if not when is your next Radio or TV show being broadcast. I only ask, as I am sure we could all benefit from watching or listening to the techniques that have made you so famous.

Jimbo wishing you Happy Holidays.
shakermaker
Chuck in 'Common People - Pulp and also 'There's no other way' - Blur and you have a half decent Indie set there.

JK - Know what you mean yet but at the end of the day, it's their function and if that's what they want then fair enough but when there are so many tunes like that it almost makes you think "Why did they bother with a DJ when they could've made up their own cd's?".

It's our wages though so that's why we do it. If you don't do it full time as a business than maybe it's easier to say "I'd tell them where to shove it".
brianmole
QUOTE(Jimbo55 @ Dec 23 2006, 10:13 AM)

johny K

You are obviously at the pinnacle of your career and people worship the ground you walk on. In which case you are entitled to have an ego that will allow you to become rude and obnoxious to your customers. Can you tell me what Major world class club venue you are Hosting/ Performing at, if not when is your next Radio or TV show being broadcast. I only ask, as I am sure we could all benefit from watching or listening to the techniques that have made you so famous.

Jimbo wishing you Happy Holidays.

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Norfolk DJ
Hi Tony

Hope your Dunston Hall gig went well!

This is another classic case of the wedding list.

No requests will go down well.

I reckon about 60% of this is ok and the rest are liked by the bride and groom and the best man. like most of the weddings lists, the tracks are fine, but as you know, I like a bit of freedom. From what you are saying, the extra tracks will give you this, subject to everything running on time.

try the Beatles I saw her standing there and twist & shout are safe bets

There's little 80's stuff in this list. I would be tempted to play a few of the obvious ones.

Billy Ocean Love really hurts without you is missing.

Four seasons oh what a night (or clock if you want to paly sissor sisters.

Could try Kylie Spinning around -still very popular.

Didn't see much tamala motown. Could try a few eg Contours.

Good luck

robin


YourBigEvent
QUOTE

johny K

You are obviously at the pinnacle of your career and people worship the ground you walk on. In which case you are entitled to have an ego that will allow you to become rude and obnoxious to your customers. Can you tell me what Major world class club venue you are Hosting/ Performing at, if not when is your next Radio or TV show being broadcast. I only ask, as I am sure we could all benefit from watching or listening to the techniques that have made you so famous.

Jimbo wishing you Happy Holidays.




FANTASTIC !!!!

dj.silver
QUOTE(Jimbo55 @ Dec 23 2006, 10:13 AM)

johny K

You are obviously at the pinnacle of your career and people worship the ground you walk on. In which case you are entitled to have an ego that will allow you to become rude and obnoxious to your customers. Can you tell me what Major world class club venue you are Hosting/ Performing at, if not when is your next Radio or TV show being broadcast. I only ask, as I am sure we could all benefit from watching or listening to the techniques that have made you so famous.

Jimbo wishing you Happy Holidays.

Yep works a treat for me too! IPB Image IPB Image
TonyB
QUOTE(johny k @ Dec 23 2006, 08:53 AM)

QUOTE(wizard @ Dec 22 2006, 09:00 PM)

That playlist is much better than the one I have for tomorrow night.

Im the urban spaceman - Bonzo dog doodah band
Beatles - I am the walrus.

and it goes downhill from their sadwalk.gif


tell you what if any customer gave me a list that long id tell them to stick it where the monkey shoves its nuts whats wrong with you lot your djs not gaufers a few yes , but all them i dont think so


I know where you're coming from and playlists can be quite depressing when you are trying to motivate a crowd but stuck with a list of what you are allowed to play. The skill of the DJ is to make the most of a bad job and organise what you have got in such a way that it all gels together and doesn't sound too bad. Its also where you have to work pretty hard with the mic and if things do look like they are going to be a total disaster, have a word with the organisers and try to encourage them to allow a bit of flexibility.

Playlists can either work or flop dramatically. If all the guests have had input to choose something they like, then it can very often work. If the B&G choose to have all their personal choice from one genre/era, it can flop dramatically with a mixed crowd.

I have had a couple of gigs where I have felt totally deflated at the end because I had to play from a playlist, there weren't many people dancing for most of the night and I felt pretty down because I felt like I wasn't doing a good job. My attitude was very much like yours where I said if I'm given another playlist I would tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine. But feedback I got afterwards was that the people there had a really good time and I got another couple of booking because I was prepared to play what the customer wants. Seems like a full dance floor isn't always a measure of how successful a gig is (isn't that another thread?). Sometimes people just enjoy meeting up, having a drink and a chat and enjoy listening to the music.
stevemarshall
Quite an interesting playlist certainly there are a few songs which would work with the tracks mentioned too, might be worth discussing with the Bride and Groom if the playlist can be used as a general guide to the night?

Although the tracks they mentioned not to play, will also give you an idea of the sort of direction they want to go in music wise....
Norfolk DJ
I agree with Steve Marshall. None of us like these playlists. The main problem is not us being biased. We just know what the majoirty of people dance to.

I am 100% behind being given a good idea of what their musical preference are, so that we can adapt our usual format. I find that if it's a private booking, the bride and groom tend to seek some sort of reassurance of their choices and just sometimes, they ask for our opinions of tracks they have overlooked or something to get people up if they are all having a rest. These lists are always given with the best intention, but they all have the same thing in common. They include songs that I would listen to in the car or in my lounge but some will not get people up on the floor. The worst ones include obscure album tracks.

The main problem I have with lists are the agency work at hotels where you receive a list through the post 2 days before the wedding with 100 tracks on it, with a note on the bottom saying, any problems, give me a ring!

I do agree that I have also done fuctions and suffered the same fate as others on this forum, where few people dance, only to be branded a hero at the end of the night and rebooked.

At the end of the day, the customer is always right.





Dukesy
QUOTE
I do think there will be some audience not happy with the selection.........


Well, hopefully you will get time to playing everyones request that has already been submitted for the night...don't worry.

The guest requests judging from the list are probably in their late 30s to early 40s?
With the predominate 'era' requests (note touch of old-skool, dance and Brit-pop classics as well as recent)
Maybe one or two of these can be added at some point?

Canned Heat - Jamiroquai
Two Can Play That Game - Bobby Brown
On a Ragga Tip - SL2
Born Slippy - Underworld
Insomnia - Faithless
Make the World Go Round - Sandy B
I Don't Feel Like Dancing - Scissor Sisters

You could also add You To Me Are Everything - The Real Thing, 2,4,6,8 - Tom Robinson, Start Me Up - The Rolling Stones and possibly I Found Lovin' - Steve Walsh

I still love House of Pain! thumbup.gif kid.gif
Paul Smith
I've just had a chat with the bride re a wedding this weekend to finalise things and thought of this thread (well not exactly at the time but I knew we'd recently had a discussion about it).

No long playlists - just a few artists (Bon Jovi, Guns N Roses, Fatboy Slim & Counting Crows) but the main thing was:

QUOTE
I really hate boy band songs, Steps, S Club, any teeny bopper stuff and the usual cheese played at every wedding I attend. I know that most of my guests feel the same way so don't expect requests for the likes of ABBA etc


None of this came as a surprise because we'd covered it at the time of booking (that's how I got the job smile.gif ). but I'm finding this type of stipulation is cropping up more regularly with yet another enquiry earlier today saying more or less the same thing.

Personally I think it's great as I tend to get more referrals from these type of wedding receptions than the ones where they want me to play all the usual suspects. goodjob.gif
Norfolk DJ
QUOTE(Paul_Smith @ Mar 28 2007, 09:24 PM)

I've just had a chat with the bride re a wedding this weekend to finalise things and thought of this thread (well not exactly at the time but I knew we'd recently had a discussion about it).

No long playlists - just a few artists (Bon Jovi, Guns N Roses, Fatboy Slim & Counting Crows) but the main thing was:
None of this came as a surprise because we'd covered it at the time of booking (that's how I got the job smile.gif ). but I'm finding this type of stipulation is cropping up more regularly with yet another enquiry earlier today saying more or less the same thing.

Personally I think it's great as I tend to get more referrals from these type of wedding receptions than the ones where they want me to play all the usual suspects. goodjob.gif


I agree, makes a change, the only thing concerns me is where do they draw the line on the usual suspects. At least they have not given you the dreaded 150 track playlist full of album tracks!


Paul Smith
QUOTE(Norfolk DJ @ Mar 28 2007, 10:35 PM)

the only thing concerns me is where do they draw the line on the usual suspects.


Here's my Room 101 for these events:

No manufactured boy bands* eg Take That, Boyzone, Westlife, E17, Wham,
No manufactured girl bands* eg Spice Girls, Atomic Kitten, Sugababes,
No manufactured girl/boy combo bands* eg Steps, S Club, Hear'Say, ABBA,
No Cha Cha Slide
No Timewarp
No YMCA
No Grease Megamix
No Amarillo
No Black Lace
No Macarena
No Love Shack
No all those other songs that I can't think of right now

* You could argue that some early Motown groups were 'manufactured' but they don't count

Of course the B&G might have other ideas - but this is a good starting point.
mikeee
Yes, But..................

For a wedding with such a mix of people (age) how can you avoid all or any of that list. I do not believe that aunt ethel will let you go without an Abba or an S Club 7 and as for the ageing "rocker" Uncle Harry....B 52's - Love Shack.
When brides say to me "NO CHEESE", I now ask, "what would you like" and after the Um's and Arr's - Abba. You need to define Cheese into the various catagories - Stilton, Wensleydale, Cheddar etc etc.

OK it's very nice to do precisely what the B&G want, but as professionals it is our judgement that counts at the end of the day.
Paul Smith
Absolutely agree Mikeee and at the events where this policy has applied I've made sure that the B&G are aware of exactly what it is they are asking for (or not as it 'appens).

You can normally tell if it's just their wish list and over the last year there has been only one where my suspicions at track one were confirmed by track 3 and their non-cheese reception was swiftly amended.
stevemarshall
Mikee and Paul as usual makes some good points, the Bride and Groom are employing the DJ as entertainment for their night.

Playlists are a useful tool, but it's up to the DJ to show that they know what they are doing when they make the initial booking, to guide... as Mikee quite rightly says the B and G are employing a professional DJ. So it's up to the DJ to offer his/her expertise, in the same way a wedding planner, or brideswear designer, or caterer would...


What counts as Cheese for some, might be just the music that the crowd who are coming to the wedding enjoy, your ABBAs, YMCAs etc after all imagine a Scottish Wedding without some trad Scottish music or a wedding in Belfast without playing Van Morrison.

It's up to us as DJs to use our knowledge and experience to suss out the crowd, and make sure everyone has a great night:)

Musically it's not a question of being biased, after all I'm sure many mobile DJs don't listen to the YMCA on their home hi-fi that often, but about offering a service:)

And sometimes as someone earlier mentioned the crowd likes to listen to music and chat, I did a disco last month with a extended family who hadn't been together in the same room for over 30 years, there were cousins and Uncles etc who flew in from all over the world to be there on that night, the smiles on the faces of the people who were happy to catch up on each others lives on that night, made it one of the gigs so far for me...
otronics
To comment on the playlist there:

some good stuff but as always too 'planned'.

The Bride + Groom will not be there all the time (will be talking with others, at bar etc etc etc).

People do not think like this and ANYTHING can happen on the night.

If I ever get married, I will have a disco (I might even do it!!) and request a few tracks before-hand and a 1st dance but thats it - leave it for flexibility/crowd on the night!
Norfolk DJ
QUOTE(mikeee @ Mar 28 2007, 11:55 PM)

Yes, But..................

For a wedding with such a mix of people (age) how can you avoid all or any of that list. I do not believe that aunt ethel will let you go without an Abba or an S Club 7 and as for the ageing "rocker" Uncle Harry....B 52's - Love Shack.
When brides say to me "NO CHEESE", I now ask, "what would you like" and after the Um's and Arr's - Abba. You need to define Cheese into the various catagories - Stilton, Wensleydale, Cheddar etc etc.

OK it's very nice to do precisely what the B&G want, but as professionals it is our judgement that counts at the end of the day.


Top response mikee.

I always ask the B&G to dedfine cheese is they comment on it. It usually means (and it's very rare to exclude any) YMCA and a couple more and that's it. I think it's high risk to avoid them all.
Kingy
Always amazes me. After 28 years of doing wedding receptions I never know what I am going to play before I have assesed the audiance, yet these "people" who are getting married know exactly what the punters will want. Pure genius.

Playlists? Mixed feelings personally.
Norfolk DJ
QUOTE(Kingy @ Mar 29 2007, 12:46 PM)

Always amazes me. After 28 years of doing wedding receptions I never know what I am going to play before I have assesed the audiance, yet these "people" who are getting married know exactly what the punters will want. Pure genius.

Playlists? Mixed feelings personally.


I think these are something else that they recommend in those posh wedding magazines!
Paul Smith
QUOTE(Kingy @ Mar 29 2007, 12:46 PM)

Always amazes me. After 28 years of doing wedding receptions I never know what I am going to play before I have assesed the audiance, yet these "people" who are getting married know exactly what the punters will want. Pure genius.


I think it's more along the lines of knowing what they don't want.

It's fair to say that each B&G wants their wedding to be unique & special. If during the last year they have attended several others as guests and notice that the same music has been played at each (by different DJs) then I can see exactly where they are coming from.
Norfolk DJ
QUOTE(Paul_Smith @ Mar 29 2007, 08:12 PM)

I think it's more along the lines of knowing what they don't want.

It's fair to say that each B&G wants their wedding to be unique & special. If during the last year they have attended several others as guests and notice that the same music has been played at each (by different DJs) then I can see exactly where they are coming from.


Yes and they are probably well intentioned, but if it becomes too unique, then they can head for trouble by being too restrictive.
Jason v G
QUOTE(Norfolk DJ @ Mar 29 2007, 07:28 PM)

Yes and they are probably well intentioned, but if it becomes too unique, then they can head for trouble by being too restrictive.

It's very easy to subtely let the guests know that you're working from a restrictive playlist. Take the money, play the list, any aggro from the Abba fans direct them to the Bride and Groom.
Job done.
gunslinger757
QUOTE(jay vg @ Apr 2 2007, 09:26 AM)

It's very easy to subtely let the guests know that you're working from a restrictive playlist. Take the money, play the list, any aggro from the Abba fans direct them to the Bride and Groom.
Job done.


Where's your professional integrity? So you'll slag the client off, direct any flak in their direction on the biggest day of their lives, work off a list an amatuer has given you - and people wonder why Dj's aren't seen as professionals. This forum never cease to amze me at times
Jason v G
QUOTE(gunslinger757 @ Apr 2 2007, 12:20 PM)

Where's your professional integrity? So you'll slag the client off, direct any flak in their direction on the biggest day of their lives, work off a list an amatuer has given you - and people wonder why Dj's aren't seen as professionals. This forum never cease to amze me at times


Professional integrity???

" Hi I'm looking for a Dj for our wedding reception"
" Well you've come the right place, what kind of party are you after?"
" Well I've been to loads of do's where they just play all that cheesy rubbish all night, so I'm trying to find someone who can play exactly what we want."
" No problem at all, I always insist on meeting with couples well before the event to discuss all aspects of the evening including music."
"So you wont play ABBA like all them other dj's we've seen, if we ask you not too."
" If that's what you want for your wedding that's no problem. The 'cheesy' music you're talking about is usually played as a safe bet, because it's normally music that appeals to a wide aged audience and most people know the songs. If you want to supply a list of alternative tracks that you know you're guests will enjoy I'd be happy to play it for you."

Slagging off the client ????

" Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to <venue>. It's great to see so many of here tonight to celebrate <bride & groom>'s wedding day. My name's <your name> and I'll be your entertainer for this evening. <bride & groom> have been great in supplying me with a list of fantastic songs that they know you're all going to enjoy, so let's get straight into the party with <first song off list>.""

Direct flack at the client ???

Guest : " Can you put some ABBA on?"
Me : " Normally I'd love to madam, but <bride & groom> have hired me tonight to play the song list they've supplied only and asked that any further requests go through them first."
Of course this would be pointed out to bride and groom before the event and it's up to them if they still insist on the playlist.

A list an amateur has given me ???

The way I see it I'm not, nor have I ever claimed to be a mind reader. I'll leave that to the likes of Derren Brown. Who the hell am I to assume I can walk into a room full of total strangers and automatically know all their musical tastes and be able to get them up dancing.
The bride and groom (or clients) however have invited and therefore know everyone in the room, so why are they amateurs at knowing what their friends and family like?

and people wonder why Dj's aren't seen as professionals ??

Possibly because they do here the same tunes at virtually every party they go to. Because some dj's (not pointing fingers) don't alter their set according to the clients tastes, finding it easier to just roll out the same old tracks, less work that way = cheaper prices = more bookings = etc....

This forum never cease to amaze me at times -

I know it's great isn't it having all these people with their own unique opinions and ways of conducting their business being able to air them publicly.

I sell the fact that clients can choose their songs for the night as a benefit.
I charge extra for this benefit wether they choose to take it up or not. Most clients who have chosen to specify their own list have been more than happy to pay my rates as they are getting the service they want. If they come up with a lot of stuff or a genre I'm not familiar with I'll hold my hands up and tell them, sometimes even recommending an alternative specialist whom would be more qualified to perform at their event.

I see myself as a service provider, that service is musical entertainment. I give my clients the service they want/ desire and why shouldn't I. I'll hold my hand up here and tell you all I can barely beatmatch or any of those Dj specific tasks, but that is not what I am in business to do. If I want to massage my ego I'll do it in the privacy of my own home.

I hope that answers your comments and has reassured you that I am professional at what I do.


gunslinger757
[quote name='jay vg' date='Apr 2 2007, 02:16 PM' post='172389']
Professional integrity???

[quote] " If that's what you want for your wedding that's no problem. The 'cheesy' music you're talking about is usually played as a safe bet, because it's normally music that appeals to a wide aged audience and most people know the songs.[/quote]

Because a lot of the time, thats people want, and please call it by its proper name - POP music.

Slagging off the client ????

<!--quotec-->" Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to <venue>. It's great to see so many of here tonight to celebrate <bride & groom>'s wedding day. My name's <your name> and I'll be your entertainer for this evening. <bride & groom> have been great in supplying me with a list of fantastic songs that they know you're all going to enjoy, so let's get straight into the party with <first song off list>.""[quote]

Which, anyone with half a brain can see is the DJ's way of saying, if you don't like the music don't come crying to me.

Direct flack at the client ???
[quote]Guest : " Can you put some ABBA on?"
Me : " Normally I'd love to madam, but <bride & groom> have hired me tonight to play the song list they've supplied only and asked that any further requests go through them first."
Of course this would be pointed out to bride and groom before the event and it's up to them if they still insist on the playlist.[/quote]

So instead of mingling and meet their guests, they're having to listen to people mythering at them because the DJ won't play ABBA - yeah good move.

A list an amateur has given me ???

[quote]The way I see it I'm not, nor have I ever claimed to be a mind reader. I'll leave that to the likes of Derren Brown. Who the hell am I to assume I can walk into a room full of total strangers and automatically know all their musical tastes and be able to get them up dancing.
The bride and groom (or clients) however have invited and therefore know everyone in the room, so why are they amateurs at knowing what their friends and family like?[/quote]

Mind reading doesn't come in to it, experience and demographics should be able tell what sort of music you will be playing.

and people wonder why Dj's aren't seen as professionals ??

[quote]Possibly because they do here the same tunes at virtually every party they go to. Because some dj's (not pointing fingers) don't alter their set according to the clients tastes, finding it easier to just roll out the same old tracks, less work that way = cheaper prices = more bookings = etc....[/quote]

Absolute nonsense, people like familiarity - That's why companies spend millions on branding. by simply standing there working from a list you are doing yourself and your profession a diservice. do the B+G tell the limo driver which oil to use in his car or the wedding cake maker which flour to use? Of course they don't, because they see them as professionals and leave it to their experience and knowledge.

Just becasue you are in a service industry doesn't mean you have to roll over and bark every time the client asks. The best business relationships are built on mutual respect and equality. it amazes the amount of people who say "well the customer is always right - I'm sorry they're. They should be employing you to use your skill and talent to entertain their guests in the best way possible. if you can't do that without them giving you a list of songs, you shouldn't be in the game

This forum never cease to amaze me at times -

[quote]I know it's great isn't it having all these people with their own unique opinions and ways of conducting their business being able to air them publicly.

I sell the fact that clients can choose their songs for the night as a benefit.
I charge extra for this benefit wether they choose to take it up or not. Most clients who have chosen to specify their own list have been more than happy to pay my rates as they are getting the service they want. If they come up with a lot of stuff or a genre I'm not familiar with I'll hold my hands up and tell them, sometimes even recommending an alternative specialist whom would be more qualified to perform at their event.

I see myself as a service provider, that service is musical entertainment. I give my clients the service they want/ desire and why shouldn't I. I'll hold my hand up here and tell you all I can barely beatmatch or any of those Dj specific tasks, but that is not what I am in business to do. If I want to massage my ego I'll do it in the privacy of my own home.

I hope that answers your comments and has reassured you that I am professional at what I do.
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I'm not sure how ego comes into this, please don't mix up confidence with arrogance. At the end of the day, they're not paying for the martin actrobats or the mackie xz34gdf super jumbos with ejector seat, they can get them anywhere. Theyre paying for the man behind the decks with the mic in his hand, because without him, the rest of the kit is useless. There's nothing wrong with knowing your good at your job and letting your clients know, thats what I sell my service on. If they want £80 dave to do there party, good for them. If they want the Tommy Jordan show and 25 years experience - Now that costs!

Danno13
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I'll hold my hand up here and tell you all I can barely beatmatch or any of those Dj specific tasks, but that is not what I am in business to do. If I want to massage my ego I'll do it in the privacy of my own home.


Its strange how you can defend your way of doing things so well and then come out with a flipant remark like that about something that other DJs may (in part) sell themselves on....
Jason v G
QUOTE(Danno13 @ Apr 3 2007, 08:28 AM)

Its strange how you can defend your way of doing things so well and then come out with a flipant remark like that about something that other DJs may (in part) sell themselves on....


Looking at that again it doesn't read the way I meant it to sound.

The last sentence should be the next paragraph.
I was trying to point out that some potential customers may regard a statement like " I'm the professional DJ, so I'll choose the music all night." as being a bit egotistical, and it may even lead them to believe that you haven't got the music knowledge claimed, and are only comfortable playing certain 'cheesy', or to label them correctly 'pop', songs.
I'm not saying that I think anyone who can beatmix is an ego dj.
Hope that makes more sense.

I hope that dispells any confusion or ill feeling.
Danno13
Ok! Thanks for explaining. oops.gif
djdannyfeelgood
well at least you got to find out what to play at the gig.

one of my worst gigs happened when on the night the bride came up to me and asked if i could play a cpl of cds from her brother , that he had put together.

remember it was a wedding, there were kids, grannies, aunties uncles, and invited guests to dance the night away. well the brother gave me 4 cds labelled 1,2,3 and 4 along with the song contents of each cd, and was then told to play cds 1& 2 in the order of the music list and then when if finshed then 3 and 4.

to add insult to injury he sat their with his mates making sure i was playing the tracks in order on the cd and play list, but after lookgi at the list i recognised 3 songs. after 20 minutes or so the guests started complaining about the music, (goth, alterntive, inducstrial)etc and i had to say ,sorry btu that whts the bride and groom wanted.

well soon after they asked if i had any party stuff to get the evening going and with the brides consent, the party ended up being salvaged, it was funny as well being tipped £20 by the father in law to have great ending to a night

so i always send a blank song list sheet to clients and ask fro 30 possible songs they want played on the night, as well as taking requests on the night and playing the suitable ones, and even just as important asking what they DONT want played, but thats another story


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