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thecolonel
hi just purchased a kam 1500 mixer to go with my sounlab setup (sp800 amp 250rms speakers and 300 rms bins) what i wanna know is on the back there is a master setting for the mixer does it matter what it's set at i mean i know its gotta to be on but what if i turn the setting off meaning no protection, what i need advice for as well is the echo on the mixer it just doesnt sound right maybe it's cause i never used this sort of thing b4 i'm used to using the karaoke machine echo is there anything i'm doing wrong any advice would be great thanks guys
Gary
QUOTE (thecolonel @ Sep 11 2003, 10:44 PM)
on the back there is a master setting for the mixer does it matter what it's set at?

I had a quick look on the website for the UK distributors for KAM. Sadly, no nice shots of the rear of the mixer...

If the control is a rotary/turning control located close to the main outputs of the mixer, I suspect that its what KAM describe as "The Master attenuation control + Master output control".

This simply sets how much attenuation (reduction) is applied to the outputs from the mixer. Such a control is common amongst mixers with balanced (XLR) connectors (round, with 3 round pins, or 3 round holes). Its a way of ensuring that no matter what is done on the mixer front panel, only a certain amount of the sound output is ever passed to the amps. (effectively a hidden volume control). Its the control that you'd like to turn down a few degrees, before lending the mixer out to anyone who developes a nasty glint in their eye, when you ask them not to pump too much power into the speakers...
Dukesy
QUOTE (Gary @ Sep 12 2003, 01:39 AM)

If the control is a rotary/turning control located close to the main outputs of the mixer, I suspect that its what KAM describe as "The Master attenuation control + Master output control".

This simply sets how much attenuation (reduction) is applied to the outputs from the mixer. Such a control is common amongst mixers with balanced (XLR) connectors (round, with 3 round pins, or 3 round holes). Its a way of ensuring that no matter what is done on the mixer front panel, only a certain amount of the sound output is ever passed to the amps. (effectively a hidden volume control).

Very True.

In support of this - please be careful when attenuation is applied - with your amps and speakers connected.

If you are unsure - get an experienced professional to 'balance your system'.

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Chrispy
I'm no longer a Kam distributor so I'm not familiar with the product nor do I have any literature to refer to. I would go with what Gary has already said with regard to the Master Control.

The echo is a different issue however and not something that you can do anything about. In the days of valve amps, Echo or rather reverb was produced by a "Spring Line" affair which was exactly how it sounded - long rows of springs which used to clatter about when you carried the amp around biggrin.gif . Many live artists still swear by the old method, since today Echo or Delay type effects are produced by dedicated i.c's (Microchips). This means that the "Echo" from one product will sound different to the Echo in another manufacturers product for example.

A lot of this is just personal taste, but it isn't unusual for Karaoke D.J's to say that they prefered the echo on a previous unit to the one that they own now!. Usually the Echo produced on Karaoke Units is far superior to that which comes built into a Mixer or P.A Amp.
Dukesy
QUOTE (Chris_Pointon @ Sep 12 2003, 08:46 AM)
Usually the Echo produced on Karaoke Units is far superior to that which comes built into a Mixer or P.A Amp.

Really?! Have you ever sung 'I Will Survive' on one of the said Karaoke Players Chris?????

(GO ON, NOW GO!!!!)

You know the players that come with 2 mic inputs on the front, like the new multi-format DVD players, or the old Fidelity systems.....
well, the Echo feature is absolute....... censored.gif


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Chrispy
I don't do Karaoke as a service, but I do hire out several machines for the general public to use as well as D.J's. I shouldn't keep promoting the budget end of the market nor favouring suppliers 1087.gif but I do have an old 3 Disc ELV Machine Retail price (from me) was £159 and as far as echo is concerned it was one of the best that I ever came across thumbup.gif . The reliability was also A1, outlasting the Hyundai (don't they make cars!) and RSQ models which both literally stopped working just out of warranty rolleyes.gif .

The hire circuit is very punishing, so I tend to base my own opinions and judgements on how well the equipment does and how long it last's when it's hired out, rather than it having a fancy name, lots of flashing lights and a huge price tag. IMHO, if a piece of hire gear battles on for years on hire then it get's the thumbs up from me, since it's gonna be pretty bullet proof when used by the same D.J / owner and looked after. O.K so with any electrical equipment you take a chance on reliability but I base my own personal gear around the models which have proved well out on hire, and touch wood, this philosophy has never yet me down, nor cost me a small fortune!.

Also very good Echo wise but slighty more "clunky" in operation was the old Niko 2000 Players which played all MP3, VCD and CDG format's and were at one time on offer for £119, a Bargain!. Sadly, don't ask me for either the ELV or Niko's since they are now discontinued, but both very good machines if you see 'em 2nd hand smile.gif .
paula
Am I reading right here!
Please say no........

Unless using any of these said players for home use are you actually saying that you plug your mic's into the actual players? wacko.gif


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