This particular topic starter had originally booked a DJ - well read for yourselves - I have edited out anything that is O/T
Full Version: How Brides Perceive Us - Part 4
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Whenever the straps are loosened on my jacket I browse the wedding planning forums to see what they are saying about us - well it saves the rest of you from going as mad as me
This particular topic starter had originally booked a DJ - well read for yourselves - I have edited out anything that is O/T
This particular topic starter had originally booked a DJ - well read for yourselves - I have edited out anything that is O/T
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| H2B's Gran was paying for our DJ for us but he is moving out of the area and will now have to charge us extra for travelling!! The idiot...as if... Anyway, H2B and I were flicking through my Wedding Ideas magazine and we saw the Jukebox45s website, so we've had a look and are really impressed, and think it would be a brilliant idea (although not necessarily with them, we'll find somewhere cheaper ) Even if none of our guests pick the songs, we would We can even use our own CD's which is fab as we are asking our guests to return their RSVP's with their 5 favourite songs. We will then make our own CD's using those songs (only the appropriate ones ) What do you think of this idea, from an outsiders perspective? Would you think it is OK as a guest? |
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| I think that would be ok, at least then you can guarantee your playlist songs will be played. Who will play the songs though or will the guests be just using the jukebox to play the songs? |
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| I went to a wedding with a jukebox and it was fab - it worked really well. |
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| I think its a great idea. My friend and her husband have their own jukebox so used that at their wedding it was fab. My sister went to a wedding over the weekend though and they had one but she said she saw people turning it off and resetting it if they didn't like the songs that came on, that would annoy me! |
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| I would - I wish I had done that myself but I had left it too late. Our DJ didn't play many of the songs we asked him too! I think its a great idea! |
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| We are using Jukebox 45's. They were the best quote I could get at the time for our area. Obviously I think it's a great idea We're going to pre program it so if there is a gap between people choosing songs, there will always be some music playing. |
There are another 5 posts after this also saying 'It's a Great Idea'.
Personally I liked the post about people turning it off to reset if they didn't like a song
I haven't replied but there must be other dis-advantages:
1. A rock song followed by a slow song then a bit of punk etc
2. The same song being selected and played over & over
3. Certain guests having a monopoly on choosing songs (& turning it off when something comes on they don't like).
4. The sound quality
5. The lack of personality
Give me some ammo and I'll post a reply (once I move my computer under the table)
Another case for promoting
Professional conduct of DJ's
Contracts
References
Pre event meetings
Music choice
Event planning
We still need a governing body that ensures all the professional standards and qualities of Mobile DJ's by inspecting Contracts, PLI and PAT and other associated paperwork.
It could also subect the DJ to an audition so that the DJ could be assessed for The minimum skills required. A membership fee could be charged and a one off fee for the audition before registration could occur
A body where questionaires can be sent at random to clients that have had a service from a registered DJ so that standards can be monitored and advice can be passed back to the DJ. wether it be 'keep up the good' work or 'OI you need to perk your idea's up'.
It would need to have teeth in as much as you could be removed from the register if too many unresolved complaints occur.
A body where the public can make compliants too and look for advice.
SEDA could take the lead in this as that is the whole ethos of SEDA.
Pie in the sky maybe and it would take time to gain the respect of both DJ's and the public But if we wish to be seen as professonal??
Jimbo
Professional conduct of DJ's
Contracts
References
Pre event meetings
Music choice
Event planning
We still need a governing body that ensures all the professional standards and qualities of Mobile DJ's by inspecting Contracts, PLI and PAT and other associated paperwork.
It could also subect the DJ to an audition so that the DJ could be assessed for The minimum skills required. A membership fee could be charged and a one off fee for the audition before registration could occur
A body where questionaires can be sent at random to clients that have had a service from a registered DJ so that standards can be monitored and advice can be passed back to the DJ. wether it be 'keep up the good' work or 'OI you need to perk your idea's up'.
It would need to have teeth in as much as you could be removed from the register if too many unresolved complaints occur.
A body where the public can make compliants too and look for advice.
SEDA could take the lead in this as that is the whole ethos of SEDA.
Pie in the sky maybe and it would take time to gain the respect of both DJ's and the public But if we wish to be seen as professonal??
Jimbo
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| Give me some ammo and I'll post a reply (once I move my computer under the table) |
Ammo huh...well, there's:
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| It played for about an hour, and despite loads of tunes being selected by our guests, it stopped playing. As the juke box was simply delivered and left there unattended, there was no-one there to get things going again (unlike a DJ who would either re-wire, or use their spares to get the party re-started). Mr & Mrs Doris & Dave Isco (Littlehampton) |
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| We went to a friends 30th party with a rental jukebox - It didn't have the same atmosphere as proper evening entertainment - No lights playing along with songs, no interaction - it was a bit like a classroom with all the right books, but no teacher at the front. John Jackson - (Sevenoaks) |
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| The whole evening felt dis-jointed...people chose their party favourites right from the word go - however "Hi Ho Silver Lining" at 8:05pm didn't seem right - probably why real discos save these great songs 'til nearer the end. Similarly, we would all probably have enjoyed smootching to the 2 or 3 romantic slow songs that started playing at half past 11 oclock, apart from the fact that some idiot had slapped Born Slipperys "Lager lager lager", and Prodigys abrasive "Firestarter" (twice) right in the middle of them. Alot of us realised that night, why proper DJs will wait until "the right time" to play requests, rather than playing them instantly - (even when we lie about having a taxi turning up in ten minutes) I wouldnt recommend a jukebox to anyone now. Angry - from Leicester. |
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| Mr & Mrs Doris & Dave Isco (Littlehampton) |
Mrs D Isco & Mr D Isco
Somehow I can't see them believing that quote
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Mrs D Isco & Mr D Isco Somehow I can't see them believing that quote |
Yeah, I know...
...literate lads and lasses are less likely to live in Littlehampton, literally.
You may need to change the names...to protect the innocent.
there is no control over the running order , Gladys selection of Love Really Hurts could get them on to the dancefloor but followed by Grandad's favourite of Old Shep is likely to be a atmosphere killer and no doubt the first people to eye the jukebox will be kids and teenagers treating the guests to a mixture of rap and bob the builder whilst the younger kids push, fight and cry when Biff the older brother wont let them to the controls 
then there is lighting to create an atmosphere are the guests going to dance under blazing fluorescent lights? maybe you should mention that if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her viberator?
then there is lighting to create an atmosphere are the guests going to dance under blazing fluorescent lights? maybe you should mention that if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her viberator?
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| maybe you should mention that if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her viberator? |
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| Another case for promoting Professional conduct of DJ's Contracts References Pre event meetings Music choice Event planning We still need a governing body that ensures all the professional standards and qualities of Mobile DJ's by inspecting Contracts, PLI and PAT and other associated paperwork. It could also subect the DJ to an audition so that the DJ could be assessed for The minimum skills required. A membership fee could be charged and a one off fee for the audition before registration could occur A body where questionaires can be sent at random to clients that have had a service from a registered DJ so that standards can be monitored and advice can be passed back to the DJ. wether it be 'keep up the good' work or 'OI you need to perk your idea's up'. It would need to have teeth in as much as you could be removed from the register if too many unresolved complaints occur. A body where the public can make compliants too and look for advice. SEDA could take the lead in this as that is the whole ethos of SEDA. Pie in the sky maybe and it would take time to gain the respect of both DJ's and the public But if we wish to be seen as professonal?? Jimbo |
Now, as a 'newbie' to actually 'playing to the masses' I thought I'd offer my rather limited opinion.
Firstly, a friend of a friend used a Juke Box at her wedding (in a small garden Marquee) and quite enjoyed it, however it was just a juke box...which meant there was no real power at all.
I would conclude that a Juke box could be used for small gatherings i.e in a house or a small garden marquee, but in a medium to large venue? Don't make me laugh old son!
It's all about ignorance [which we all have at certain levels] the person that asks why you haven't got Bernard Cribbins "Hole in the ground" when you're clearly playing upbeat music, or the idiot who thinks it's ok to leave a pint of beer inches from a deck/mixer? They are all out there waiting to make our life’s difficult when trying to entertain...but juke boxes? Once they've been exposed as a inadequate facility they will be no longer used...word and mouth I guess?
And lastly on the DJ union and PAT testing, insurance and so on...
I haven't seen on here any mention of people providing entertainment to children being CRB checked? Thankfully I am, but I wouldn't let a complete stranger control a group of small/medium size kids whether I was in the venue or in the kitchen making up trays of chicken nuggets? So let's make it also a commitment that ALL DJ's working at kids parties have FULL CRB checks...if you don't pass, well tuff...you shouldn't be in the job.
| QUOTE (McCardle @ Aug 23 2006, 09:44 AM) |
| maybe you should mention that if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her vibrator? |
Why not combine the two?
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| if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her vibrator? |
Top!
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I haven't seen on here any mention of people providing entertainment to children being CRB checked? Thankfully I am, but I wouldn't let a complete stranger control a group of small/medium size kids whether I was in the venue or in the kitchen making up trays of chicken nuggets? So let's make it also a commitment that ALL DJ's working at kids parties have FULL CRB checks...if you don't pass, well tuff...you shouldn't be in the job. |
looks like you missed This Recent Thread
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| I haven't seen on here any mention of people providing entertainment to children being CRB checked? Thankfully I am, but I wouldn't let a complete stranger control a group of small/medium size kids whether I was in the venue or in the kitchen making up trays of chicken nuggets? So let's make it also a commitment that ALL DJ's working at kids parties have FULL CRB checks...if you don't pass, well tuff...you shouldn't be in the job. |
Hi - As TonyJ has already pointed out, there is a thread about this exact subject.
However, as I don't work for a school, scout or other type establishment, I cannot get the CRB to check me...
I did ask, and they said no - I had to go through a third party like school etc - catch 22.....
My son is only 17 months old so is not yet going anywhere I can volunteer - plus as I am never without adult supervision when I am performing at childrens functions, even though I would love to get a CRB check, I can't and will explain to whoever is asking the reasons......
Cor...look at those tyre marks.......... This thread seems to have veered 
a few posts back.
Valid points for a different thread though. Back to this thread:
Real Human DJ's
- Vs -
The JukeBox
What to advise brides/grooms who might be considering a "plug n pray" alternative to a real DJ......?
a few posts back. Valid points for a different thread though. Back to this thread:
Real Human DJ's
- Vs -
The JukeBox
What to advise brides/grooms who might be considering a "plug n pray" alternative to a real DJ......?
Ok reply has been posted on the wedding forum 
and?
Not that I am impatient or anything
Jimbo
Not that I am impatient or anything
Jimbo
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| and? Not that I am impatient or anything Jimbo |
One thing I've found about these type of forums is, when you offer an opposing viewpoint either:
They feed you to the lions or
They carry on as if the post wasn't there
In this case it's the latter however the reason I make these kind of posts (and I'm not the only DJ that does ) is for the 100s of members who read the boards but don't add their opinions. So rather than a topic on jukeboxes where everyone says they are a great idea my post on there will hopefully make some people think a bit harder before going down this road.
As we often say it's all about education but it has to be done in a way that doesn't upset them (which is why I left out McCardle's bit about vibrators - great quote that it was though
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has anybody mentioned the more personal aspect that is missing with a jukebox system at weddings, mainly the all important first dance and any traditional extras such as organising a wedding arch
Or simply having a good flow of music which isn't dictated by the mouthiest or most forward of the group.
A DJ can steer clear of this scenario.
A DJ can steer clear of this scenario.
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One thing I've found about these type of forums is, when you offer an opposing viewpoint either: They feed you to the lions or They carry on as if the post wasn't there In this case it's the latter however the reason I make these kind of posts (and I'm not the only DJ that does ) is for the 100s of members who read the boards but don't add their opinions. So rather than a topic on jukeboxes where everyone says they are a great idea my post on there will hopefully make some people think a bit harder before going down this road. As we often say it's all about education but it has to be done in a way that doesn't upset them (which is why I left out McCardle's bit about vibrators - great quote that it was though ) |
Paul, If you're worried about upsetting those with negative opinions of DJs by defending what may be an important factor from our point of view, then aren't you wasting your time posting our side of the story?
It seems to me that you are posting to applease others even when there are some very valid points to get across.
In another thread McCardle said:
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| Aug 24 2006, 01:17 PM maybe 5star could post this on the wedding forum as a reminder that deejays have to suffer bad clients as well as the other way around and that respect and civility works both ways |
Sorry, with the greatest respect, although I read your reply I make McCardle right.
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| Paul, If you're worried about upsetting those with negative opinions of DJs by defending what may be an important factor from our point of view, then aren't you wasting your time posting our side of the story? It seems to me that you are posting to applease others even when there are some very valid points to get across. |
It's not a case of upsetting those with negative opinions of DJs - it's giving them some good advice on how to make their choice (& in one case relevant problems with choosing the jukebox option)
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| In another thread McCardle said: QUOTE Aug 24 2006, 01:17 PM maybe 5star could post this on the wedding forum as a reminder that deejays have to suffer bad clients as well as the other way around and that respect and civility works both ways Sorry, with the greatest respect, although I read your reply I make McCardle right. |
Remember that these people haven't had their reception yet - what am I supposed to put - make sure that your clients behave themselves and don't upset the DJ
IMHO This is a subject that has to be dealt with as it happens rather than pre-meditate it because I don't think that any of those planning their functions anticipate their guests will cause problems and what exactly do we want them to do - tell all their guests to respect the DJ?
Having said that - it is just my opinion - I don't have a monopoly, the planning forums are open to all so if you feel that I'm wasting my time why not join and make the point yourself?
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| what am I supposed to put - make sure that your clients behave themselves and don't upset the DJ |
no, but i wonder how many of those bashing deejays on the wedding forums are doing so out of spite because they approached their own deejay in a similar abusive temperament to the thread which Splosh made?, amongst all of this negativity on this wedding forum i wager that that you only hear one side of the story, the brides, and it may not be a true reflection of the actual events.
i am sure that the groom that splosh encountered would be the first to be posting a complaint about him on such a forum, maybe he already is, however it would not make it an accurate statement of the facts and from our point of view over 30 other people agreed that Splosh handled the matter correctly and professionally and it was actually the groom who was the problem and in the wrong. i wonder how many of those brides slagging off deejays were actually the downfall of their own wedding reception perhaps through their own choices but now lay it on thick & publically at the door of their deejay because it all went wrong when the deejay was told to in no uncertain terms to comply with THEIR wishes and had no choice but to deviate from his experience (against his better nature) . i wonder how many were in fact happy with their deejay but are just posting their own horror story to upstage the last persons and fitting in with the general theme of the discussion & yes people really are that shallow
You are correct, there may be hundreds of brides now reading these horror stories and are going to be swayed into thinking all deejays are the same by some bored bitter twisted old cow who is slagging of her deejay because he would not play HER choice of heavy metal all night, and DARED to take into account the wishes of the guests also in attendance because he IS the professional entertainer she booked and not as selfish as she obviously is!. If a client requested heavy metal all night then i would pass the work on to somebody who is capable of covering that booking because i cannot but i would not tolerate getting abuse for it if i only found out their new requirements when i arrived at the function despite already having discussed their wishes in great detail prior to the event.
PM Sent
I'm afraid that going onto a wedding forum with all guns blazing about a specific incident that doesn't even have anything to do with them as individuals will do more harm than good for us - why should they be interested in our problems - they just want a DJ who will turn up and play what they want to hear and in return will pay us (good) money for that service.
If there was a specific complaint that could be addressed by the DJ concerned then fair enough but IMO the way to approach these forums is to try and educate them in the best way to pick a DJ - not go on about problems we may have encountered because, believe me, it will only backfire.
To my knowledge there have been 3 members of this forum who have posted on one of these wedding forums (inc me). One of our members tried the approach you mention and was shot down in flames. The other, and myself, are trying a more subtle approach which is gaining the confidence of the members, some of whom at least respect our input and take the advice we convey on board.
TBH a lot of the complaints against DJs are justified - turning up late, DJ not having their 1st dance record, playing songs they specifically asked not to be played etc again all specific complaints which can only be rebutted by the DJ concerned - so for anyone thinking of posting on there I can only advise to bear in mind that they are our potential clients.
If there was a specific complaint that could be addressed by the DJ concerned then fair enough but IMO the way to approach these forums is to try and educate them in the best way to pick a DJ - not go on about problems we may have encountered because, believe me, it will only backfire.
To my knowledge there have been 3 members of this forum who have posted on one of these wedding forums (inc me). One of our members tried the approach you mention and was shot down in flames. The other, and myself, are trying a more subtle approach which is gaining the confidence of the members, some of whom at least respect our input and take the advice we convey on board.
TBH a lot of the complaints against DJs are justified - turning up late, DJ not having their 1st dance record, playing songs they specifically asked not to be played etc again all specific complaints which can only be rebutted by the DJ concerned - so for anyone thinking of posting on there I can only advise to bear in mind that they are our potential clients.
One point some of you seem to be overlooking is that the brides are dealing with many service providers in the lead up to their day not just DJs. Florists, dress makers, caterers, jewellers, cake makers, table decorators, limo companies and so on. Many of these other service providers are also on these bridal forums offering advice to brides. In general all of the service providers respond rather than initiate, i.e. they reply to various questions or issues raised where they have experience to be able to add some input but in general do not really start many topics.
As 5 star explains, subtle suggestion in putting our point of view across is far more likely to succeed rather than laying down the law and upsetting the locals (it is their forum after all!).
If a bride came on a dj forum ranting and raving about how some DJs treat their guests and how rude they are and not playing songs requested yet playing other songs they were specifically told not to play etc etc, I can just imagine the OTT posts that some DJs would make in reply!!... OK this may be a little far-fetched, but even if a bride came on a dj forum and politely tried to "educate" DJs in how we should treat brides and their guests at a wedding, the reaction would still be rabid from some DJs... note I said SOME, not ALL, well the same situation exists on the bridal forums. Just because some of the mouthy ones may post negative stuff about some DJs it doesn't mean every bride on their will think like that or that they are all so easily led that they are gonna believe every word they read on a forum... after you read a few posts from some people you can often get an idea of which ones talk sense and which ones never have a good word to say about anybody; and that is true for any forum no matter what the subject is!!
As 5 star explains, subtle suggestion in putting our point of view across is far more likely to succeed rather than laying down the law and upsetting the locals (it is their forum after all!).
If a bride came on a dj forum ranting and raving about how some DJs treat their guests and how rude they are and not playing songs requested yet playing other songs they were specifically told not to play etc etc, I can just imagine the OTT posts that some DJs would make in reply!!... OK this may be a little far-fetched, but even if a bride came on a dj forum and politely tried to "educate" DJs in how we should treat brides and their guests at a wedding, the reaction would still be rabid from some DJs... note I said SOME, not ALL, well the same situation exists on the bridal forums. Just because some of the mouthy ones may post negative stuff about some DJs it doesn't mean every bride on their will think like that or that they are all so easily led that they are gonna believe every word they read on a forum... after you read a few posts from some people you can often get an idea of which ones talk sense and which ones never have a good word to say about anybody; and that is true for any forum no matter what the subject is!!
Eskie and I are singing from the same hymn sheet on this one 
well OK not just this one because we do agree on other things as well
I don't mind being challenged on anything that I post - in fact I welcome the opportunity to argue my point but aside from that the reason I started the 'How Brides Perceive Us' series of topics is because I have this notion that it's better to learn from other peoples mistakes than my own - true the last one on Jukeboxes doesn't fall into this idea but if we know what our competition is we can prepare good reasons why it isn't really competition
The other reason is that it is a trait of human nature that people will not tell you they are unhappy with what you do but they will tell their mates (or in this case their forum mates) and by reading their comments we can make sure that we don't make those same mistakes - it certainly wasn't intended as a ' If they knock us we'd better go and knock them back' kinda idea and if I felt that this was going to be the future outcome then maybe I might be wise to cancel Part 5.
well OK not just this one because we do agree on other things as well I don't mind being challenged on anything that I post - in fact I welcome the opportunity to argue my point but aside from that the reason I started the 'How Brides Perceive Us' series of topics is because I have this notion that it's better to learn from other peoples mistakes than my own - true the last one on Jukeboxes doesn't fall into this idea but if we know what our competition is we can prepare good reasons why it isn't really competition
The other reason is that it is a trait of human nature that people will not tell you they are unhappy with what you do but they will tell their mates (or in this case their forum mates) and by reading their comments we can make sure that we don't make those same mistakes - it certainly wasn't intended as a ' If they knock us we'd better go and knock them back' kinda idea and if I felt that this was going to be the future outcome then maybe I might be wise to cancel Part 5.
I am guessing that these things have no form of segueway into the next song - ie/ 8 second gap or so???!
Oo-er, imagine that!
Oo-er, imagine that!
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| I am guessing that these things have no form of segueway into the next song - ie/ 8 second gap or so???! Oo-er, imagine that! |
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It's not a case of upsetting those with negative opinions of DJs - it's giving them some good advice on how to make their choice (& in one case relevant problems with choosing the jukebox option)
Remember that these people haven't had their reception yet - what am I supposed to put - make sure that your clients behave themselves and don't upset the DJ IMHO This is a subject that has to be dealt with as it happens rather than pre-meditate it because I don't think that any of those planning their functions anticipate their guests will cause problems and what exactly do we want them to do - tell all their guests to respect the DJ? Having said that - it is just my opinion - I don't have a monopoly, the planning forums are open to all so if you feel that I'm wasting my time why not join and make the point yourself? |
Well 5 Star I think your doing a great job visiting the wedding sites and reporting it back to us... I think there are many reasons why a jukebox is a bad idea most talked about above...
The main must be if you have a nutter arrive early how many tunes can these machines line up in advance on a playlist...????
if it was say 30 they could select all there fave songs and leave no one else a choice...
If the function is on till say midnight who makes the disition to 1, change to slow stuff and 2, turn the thing off... or even 3, change music cause it aint having desired effect (ie no dancers etc) I bet venues hate them as they dont have a DJ they can bully to stop playing the music as in "You must end bang on midnight or i will pull the power".... Would a venue be willing to say this to the paying B & G I think not....
Again how about segging the tracks as we do there must be quite a few seconds between each track playing as most jukeboxes have only one player in them and has to load each track individually so each time a song ends (and i mean compleatly ends fades to silence and a couple of seconds added to the end of the track) the mechanics of the machine have to eject the played disc return it to its holding position then locate the next disc load it into the player read the disc locate the track and then play...
How many gigs have you done where the people dancing would wait on the dance floor say upto 10 seconds with silence....
If a bride wants a disco with out intervention she should maybe book a Computer DJ with the understanding they prog in her playlist and hit play then the DJ can let the show roll and just be on call for any technical problems as mentioned above...
I am not the star of the show the music is so I dont mind if i dont talk all night if that is what they want...
I bet you before long though they will be over asking you to amend this and change that..... Planning a party in the cold light of day is totally diff to how it will be on the event...
This is where a Live DJ comes into his own and this is where B & G's need to be educated... We are probably the only pro's hired for the whole event that then get told how to do our job...
Do they tell the driver how he should drive???? The photographer how he should pose them for the pics etc... No they are hired some times on merrits and sometimes on price but then left to get on with it...
And that is where we need to be... I have found that the best events I have done have always been the ones where the person paying the bill has said I leave it in your hands give us a good night... Then I can do my job..
Jukeboxes will never take the place of a guy at the controls in a wedding situation...
Wow sorry what a long one lol
Nik
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| Jukeboxes will never take the place of a guy at the controls in a wedding situation... |
They will eventually.
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They will eventually. |
I know what your saying but I think there will be a backlash to all things automated in the future... Like call centres in India etc.. Many companies now use it as a sales ploy to say our call centres are in UK.... So when most Disco's have become robob jocks then the ones remaining will say a disco with the human touch or some such thing.....
Nik
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They will eventually. |
They can programme computers to do all sorts of things these days but as far as I know they aren't able to programme a computer to detect the mood/atmosphere in a venue and to know which requests would fit in with that atmosphere and which ones wouldn't and also when would be the ideal time to fit in any such requests. How could it gauge the reaction to each track that is played? How would it know when would be the best time to switch music genres and know which type of music would be best to play next for maximum dancefloor effect based on the taste of that particular crowd on that night.
We all know that every crowd is different, a song that is hugely popular on one night can clear the floor on another night, and a lot of that is due to a huge number of variables, i.e. how many kids, how many people in their 20's, 30's, 40's etc are their many older people, ratio of women to men, size of the room compared to number of guests and so on.
When designing a computer programme you can introduce an infinite number of variables but they have to be based on somethng tangible, i.e. you can write the programme to say that if the current track is a popular motown song and that previously a guest has requested another uptempo 60's track then to mix that in after the current track, but what variable could be written to account for when is the appropriate time to move away from 60's/motown? Even if the computer had sensors attached to the dancefloor to detect weight and calculate the number of people on the dancefloor it wouldn't necessarily follow that the computer could then make an accurate assessment of the crowds reaction to each song.
And what about the situations when you play a song that clears the floor, but within 30 seconds a load of different people have come onto the floor. We as DJs can see what is happening there, i.e. although the people that were on the dancefloor are returning to their seats, we can see that at the same time a lot of guests are getting out of their seats to make their way to the dancefloor, how could a computer gauge that? and if it couldn't, because of the sensors in the dancefloor which have told it that everyone has left, it may have a built in instruction to tell it to mix in another track, just as the new set of people reach the dancefloor!...
Any such programme that was made would be very mechanical and never be able to run as smoothly as an experienced DJ.
There will always be people that want a jukebox, want an ipod etc ect. Here is an email I received earlier this week, which gives me faith that I will still be around in 10 years.
"Dear Mike,
Thank you ever so much for being our DJ on Friday evening at our wedding reception. We really appreciate you having been able to step in at such short notice and we can't tell you how glad we are that we hired you to replace our ipod!! Everyone raved about the evening's music. Thanks for playing our requests and for liaising with Terry. We hope it wasn't too
inconvenient for you having to hang around from 6.30 - our wedding breakfast took longer than expected - best laid plans and all that! Sorry that neither of us got to thank you in person - we do feel bad about it, but we kept on getting grabbed for chats by all our guests - hope you understand.
Once again. very many thanks - we wouldn't hesitate to recommend you to anyone.
Best wishes, "
"Dear Mike,
Thank you ever so much for being our DJ on Friday evening at our wedding reception. We really appreciate you having been able to step in at such short notice and we can't tell you how glad we are that we hired you to replace our ipod!! Everyone raved about the evening's music. Thanks for playing our requests and for liaising with Terry. We hope it wasn't too
inconvenient for you having to hang around from 6.30 - our wedding breakfast took longer than expected - best laid plans and all that! Sorry that neither of us got to thank you in person - we do feel bad about it, but we kept on getting grabbed for chats by all our guests - hope you understand.
Once again. very many thanks - we wouldn't hesitate to recommend you to anyone.
Best wishes, "
| QUOTE (McCardle @ Aug 24 2006, 09:00 PM) |
| because he would not play HER choice of heavy metal all night, and DARED to take into account the wishes of the guests also in attendance because he IS the professional entertainer she booked and not as selfish as she obviously is!. If a client requested heavy metal all night then i would pass the work on to somebody who is capable of covering that booking because i cannot but i would not tolerate getting abuse for it if i only found out their new requirements when i arrived at the function despite already having discussed their wishes in great detail prior to the event. |
Why do DJs always have to use HM as an example of a punters bad choice of music??? (It may well have been in this case, but it is always the genre pulled out of the air for an example)
Far more people in my family & friends would not like a DJ Playing R&B or Garage(modern definitions of both) than HM
If it's so bad why is Kerrang the biggest selling music publication in the UK??????? (& no I don't actually read it myself before you ask)
Yes I know
taken from one of the wedding forums, at last someone has got the message
"We werent going to have a DJ in the evening but worked out that with the band doing 3x45 min sets over 5 hours that we would need something inbetween - they did offer just to play music in between but we wanted the DJ to create the atmosphere..."
"We werent going to have a DJ in the evening but worked out that with the band doing 3x45 min sets over 5 hours that we would need something inbetween - they did offer just to play music in between but we wanted the DJ to create the atmosphere..."
Here's some info from a Jukebox site:
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| We will deliver the jukebox within a 30 mile radius complete with 100 multi track CDs for £200 + £50 deposit. We will normally collect the Jukebox the next day |
The next site I came across:
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| We can supply you with a full disco set-up - you just supply the DJ. Price includes delivery, setting-up, technician on hand for the evening (who will not act as a DJ) and dismantling at the end of the evening - price £100 |
and the next one:
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| A full night of disco entertainment with a professional personality DJ who will make your wedding one to remember - price £150 for 5 hours |
It's not surprising that people are confused when a 'professional personality DJ' costs less than a jukebox
Question: Is a DJ service more value for money than a Jukebox service?
Well, here is an example Jukebox company (in the UK) based in Northamptonshire....let's look at some points the business mentions but please lets keep the discussion constructive and remember which service industry we are in!
http://www.jukebox45s.com/
Firstly, lets note the purchase price of the main equipment hired out:
An Americana Cd Jukebox Americana £ 1850.00
A Manhatten Cd Jukebox (New) £ 4450.00
Both the Americana CD and Manhattan jukeboxes hold 70cds. The Touchscreen Americana holds around 90 CDs.
Now pay attention to ALL the following:
Well, here is an example Jukebox company (in the UK) based in Northamptonshire....let's look at some points the business mentions but please lets keep the discussion constructive and remember which service industry we are in!
http://www.jukebox45s.com/
Firstly, lets note the purchase price of the main equipment hired out:
An Americana Cd Jukebox Americana £ 1850.00
A Manhatten Cd Jukebox (New) £ 4450.00
Both the Americana CD and Manhattan jukeboxes hold 70cds. The Touchscreen Americana holds around 90 CDs.
Now pay attention to ALL the following:
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| We get consistent positive feedback from all our customers and the general consensus is that a jukebox is much better than having a DJ. The jukebox provides an excellent focal point at your function. People enjoy choosing the music that they want to listen to and because they have had this input, more readily dance and enjoy themselves. |
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| Bronze Extras Offer To include: A Professional Wireless Microphone (£50.00), Extra Speakers (£45.00), A Bubble Machine (£40.00), A Smoke Machine (£40.00) and A Lights Package (£45.00) for an all in one price of £125.00 |
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| Most vinyl jukeboxes are limited to 100 single song records, whereas a cd or touchscreen digital jukebox can hold up to 100 multi-track cds, that's over 1,500 songs. We offer a great professional service and have a proven track record. There are some other good companies out there, but there are also some that are letting the side down and are letting customers down. |
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| Use the Jukebox as a P.A System We can supply a professional wireless microphone that can be connected up to the jukebox. This then enables people to make announcements and give speeches using the jukebox as a powerful P.A System. Ideal for weddings. |
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| Note: The average party will have around 150 songs played. Our jukeboxes hold around 1,300 - 1,600 songs. More music than you will ever need (unless you plan to party all week). |
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| Delivery: We will deliver virtually throughout the UK. If you are within a 100 mile radius we will charge £75.00 to deliver your jukebox. Beyond this we will provide a seperate quote for you. |
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| Note: We will match or beat any of our competitors' prices. If you can find a professional supplier of jukeboxes for hire that has a comparable jukebox and service, then let us know and we will underquote them. |
Answer to 'Is a DJ service more value for money than a Jukebox service?'
Lets discuss!
All very interesting stuff...
Where we loose out is we as the DJ can only be in one place at a time..
Where as a jukebox is delivered and left there so if you have say 5 of then and charge £250 per box thats £1250 per weekend so if you had every sat all 5 booked out for the year thats £65,000.00 per year....
Not a bad living... But I still think a DJ is best.... For many of ther reasons stated in this thread.
Nik
Where we loose out is we as the DJ can only be in one place at a time..
Where as a jukebox is delivered and left there so if you have say 5 of then and charge £250 per box thats £1250 per weekend so if you had every sat all 5 booked out for the year thats £65,000.00 per year....
Not a bad living... But I still think a DJ is best.... For many of ther reasons stated in this thread.
Nik
I guess this is down to the perception of the client. I would never ever have, or even recommend, a jukebox for a party. Disco, band, entertainer yes, box in the corner...no.
But it may sound appealing to someone having a party who may not want the hassle of a DJ..? Maybe they want a house party but they don't want people playing with their hi-fi..? Maybe they think a jukebox is more stylish and classier looking than a DJ..? Maybe they have a greater control over the music be played at their event with a jukebox..?
But it may sound appealing to someone having a party who may not want the hassle of a DJ..? Maybe they want a house party but they don't want people playing with their hi-fi..? Maybe they think a jukebox is more stylish and classier looking than a DJ..? Maybe they have a greater control over the music be played at their event with a jukebox..?
We should all go out and buy a system and add it as an optional extra.
9 to 10 gigs on one of the systems and its paid for!
9 to 10 gigs on one of the systems and its paid for!
Edited due to a senior moment 
What a numpty
What a numpty
There must be an echo..........look at your post higher up the page (27th August) 
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