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High Fidelity
Just got the music request list for my gig on Sat, a 30th birthday party. I knew that she wanted a lot of 80' & 90's music, but the request list had 12 tracks on it that I don't have.

No problem, I'll download them from ITunes.

Downloaded 7 of them only to find that they're all at 128Kbs. wallbash.gif wallbash.gif

Couldn't find any way of checking the bit rate before I downloaded and I'm now really censored2.gif at having spent money on tracks that are no use to me at all.

Yes I know it's only a fiver, but I'm still annoyed, and won't be downloading any more from them.

Looks like I'll be spending the next couple of lunch breaks at work trawling the local Asda. Music Zone, Woolies etc. wallbash.gif
Jim.Live
Does 128kbps make that much difference, to the general public its amolst unnoticable.

I think virgin do downloads at 192kbps.
FDDJ
All iTunes tracks are 128kbps but are encoded using AAC (MPEG4), which they claim is a small file size but far superior sound quality to a 128kps MP3.

Of course not everyone agrees that the sound quality is better!!

iTunes blurb:

"When you import a song into the library, the song is encoded and stored on your hard disk. The amount of space the file takes up depends on the song and the import settings you choose in iTunes Preferences. The import settings also affect the audio quality of the imported song. Larger files take up more hard disk space, but generally sound better.

If you have a Macintosh computer with QuickTime 6.2 or later installed, or a Windows computer, the default encoding format is MPEG-4 AAC, a compressed format that rivals the sound quality of audio CDs. If you have an earlier version of QuickTime on your Mac, the default format is MP3, or whatever you last chose in the Advanced pane of iTunes Preferences (in the Importing section). You can play AAC files using iTunes and other applications that support QuickTime, and on your iPod. You can play MP3 files on your computer or most digital music players.

AAC-encoded files sound as good as or better than MP3 files encoded at the same or even a higher bit rate. For example, a 128 Kbps AAC file should sound as good as or better than a 160 Kbps MP3 file. Because the bit rate is lower, the AAC file will also be smaller than the MP3 file. AAC files allow you to store the most music on your hard disk or iPod. The High Quality AAC setting creates files that are usually less than 1 MB for each minute of music. The High Quality MP3 setting creates files that are about 1 MB in size for each minute of music.

The AIFF and WAV encoders do not compress the songs. AIFF and WAV are very high quality files that are several times larger than AAC or MP3 files and take up a large amount of hard disk space (about 650 MB per CD or 10 MB per minute of music). Songs imported using the Apple Lossless encoder offer the same quality as AIFF or WAV, but they take up about half the size (about 5 MB per minute of music). Files encoded using the Lossless encoder can be played in iTunes, applications that support QuickTime, and iPod models that come with a Dock connector.

If you plan to burn high-quality audio CDs with the songs you're importing, you should use the Apple Lossless or AIFF encoder for the best results. (The Apple Lossless encoder uses the least room on your hard disk, but AIFF files can be played in more applications.) The WAV encoder is primarily for use with Windows computers that are not using iTunes, or computers that do not have MP3 software. You can fit the same number of songs on an audio CD whether you use Apple's Lossless, AIFF, or WAV format when you import the songs into iTunes, but the songs will take up less space on your hard disk if you use the Apple Lossless encoder. "

I am sure I read somehwere that when you download from iTunes you have the option of doing so as a high quality MP3. Maybe that's the US version... 533.gif

Edited to add: I've checked with iTunes and downloads are 128kbps AAC and nothing else currently. Later this year as iPods get bigger you will be able to get downloads in Apples "lossless" format which is apparently as good as a WAV but much smaller in size.
DJ Marky Marc
yep 128kbps music files sound lifeless... flat and make me want to leave the room..

virgin digital files are currently also 128kbps mp3 again this is rubbish.

what's on the request list that you don't have?

brianmole
It's OK... the iTunes encoding is very good, I use these all the time, and it is not as lossy as you think. The benefit of being able to get what you want in one hit is big.

I must say when I first saw 128K on itunes, I thought censored2.gif , but it is not noticeable. Try it. thumbup.gif
BigBen
QUOTE (High Fidelity @ Jan 10 2006, 10:03 PM)
the request list had 12 tracks on it that I don't have.

What tracks are you after Paul?

On an aside...I cenrtainly wouldn't worry about 128kbps tracks - I know they won't be to your preferred standard but if any punter says anything you know they'll be a DJ!!
High Fidelity
QUOTE (brianmole @ Jan 10 2006, 10:59 PM)
It's OK... the iTunes encoding is very good, I use these all the time, and it is not as lossy as you think.  The benefit of being able to get what you want in one hit is big. 

I must say when I first saw 128K on itunes, I thought  censored2.gif , but it is not noticeable.  Try it. thumbup.gif

Trouble is, I don't really fancy finding out if the quality difference is noticeable on the night when I pump it through the amp at volume for the first time.

There's only a few that I've not got now.

Club House - Light My Fire
Brother Beyond - He Ain't No Competition
Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Round. I only seem to have a dance version.
Doobie Brothers - Long Train Runnin(93 Version), I have an original version but I've no idea what year it was as it's on a compilation.

Not to worry, I'll just tell her that I haven't got them and if she has them then she can bring her CD's and I'll play them.
brianmole
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Trouble is, I don't really fancy finding out if the quality difference is noticeable on the night when I pump it through the amp at volume for the first time.


I've done this for you! It's fine. I use a Pioneer CDJ1000 + DJM600, going through a Numark Dimension 4 to a pair of McGregor 15" 500W RMS speakers. It's hardly low fi stuff.

Don't take my word for it, try it. laugh.gif
mikeee
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Club House - Light My Fire

Brother Beyond - He Ain't No Competition

Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Round. I only seem to have a dance version.

Doobie Brothers - Long Train Runnin(93 Version), I have an original version but I've no idea what year it was as it's on a compilation.


Right Clubhouse is on Dance Hits 94 pt2, Dance Zone Level 2, Now 28.

Brothers Beyond - Stock, Aitkin & Waterman Gold

Dead or Alive - Stock, Aitkin & Waterman Gold

Doobie Brothers - Now Dance 94, Ultimate Dance Album

C.S
yep, looks like cds could be the future ! tongue.gif
RobbieD
There was another similar thread here http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/index.php?showto...topic=10390&hl= a few days ago where Digital Discos pointed out that Napster use 192K

Personally I can hear the slightly worse sound quality of MP3, especially at bit rates of 128K. And as I want to put out the best sound quality I can, I'll stick with shop brought CD's for now. - Why should I pay money on-line for a lower quality MP3 download when I can buy the full quality CD version in the shop? I know it saves a few pounds a week, but I would rather invest in the full sound quality product, than save a few pounds.

There was also another thread here http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/index.php?showto...topic=10003&hl= on MP3 sound quality which you might find interesting.

However, once the download sites start to offer wav files or some lossless format, I will probably never buy another CD again!
mick
Agree with Brian, I use i-tunes and have never had a compaint or problem with them, it's got to be better than - Sorry havn't got that, hasn't it ? - mick


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