police checked?

[vibemobilediscos 0]

are you policed checked?

 

some people preffer if you are etc...

 

is their much point in it?

your views please...

 

discuss..

[Danno13 0]

I guess its a selling point for kids discos.. can't see the point in it for anything else though..

[High Fidelity 0]

I am, but it doesn't matter for my discos anyway as I don't do kids discos.

 

My police check is due to my associtation with the Scouts Gang Show, where any adult involved with the show and with requirements to be involved with cast have to have it.

[Welsh Audio Man 21 0]

I am police checked (had it done twice actually)! lol

 

But as allready said, unless you doing kids parties, i don't see the real need for it...

 

I used to be the sound techie for a youth group... it was asked that i was checked as part of the councils guidelines, as there were quite a few kids involved in some of the shows, workshops...etc....

[DJ Marky Marc 0]

Are you going to police check all your clients and only work for people who have never broken the law..?

 

 

[milhouse 0]

Am a part-time police officer so I think I'm checked already http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/tongue.gif

 

Probably a good idea for a kids-entertainer. You can never be too careful these days and if I was arranging a party for one of my kids (not that I have any... yet) I'd be asking if the entertainer was CRB checked.

 

I've seen the nasty people that there are out there.

[tonyj 0]

Talking to a local head master about this, he told me you only need to be police checked if you work alone with children, but as a disco has several adults present then its not necessary.

 

but i think its a good idea just to cover your back

[mikeee 0]

Jon, as you should know, you can not CRB yourself. The CRB is only valid for the person (s) or institution that does the check.

I spent a whole afternoon on the phone to them trying to gleem some info, what I was told was that if your a childrens entertainer, each person that books you should carry out their own check.

 

The police check is a different kettle of fish, you can get it done yourself, you get a nice letter saying "This lad is clean, love and kisses, Cheif Super Thingy", and according to the lady I spoke to, more accurate than a CRB.

 

As for me, no I haven't, when I do do childrens parties, I tell the client that there must be one adult per 8 children in the room at all times, or, one Adult to 12 kids if they are over 10 years old ( I think thats about right).

[Kingy 0]

The CRB check is a bit like PAT or MOT. It's only as up to date as the actual records, IE you could have been checked last Thursday but been in court on Wednesday and the records not updated yet.

 

As a former Policeman I think I am clear..... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/whistling.gif

[milhouse 0]

QUOTE (mikeee @ Aug 14 2006, 12:40 AM)

Jon, as you should know, you can not CRB yourself.

Quite correct, I had forgotten http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/flex.gif

[DJF 0]

i don't do very many kids parties or christenings or communions but,

 

was asked to do a christening in november last year and was asked if i had a crb done.

 

i explained to the potential client that at the christening, i would not be working or doing things one-to-one with the children and at all times and there would be parents or guardians for all the kids so by law it wouldn't be required.

 

never got the booking, so got it done anyway through a children's charity i do work for.

 

technically on your crb for anyone who does have it, at the top it is dated when the check was carried out and ONLY valid at the time of the check.

 

the following day you may have done a theft,robbery or something else and it wouldn't show on it.

[Jimbo55 0]

Details of CRB can be found Here

It explains what a CRB is and the various levels of disclosure.

This is generally about working with children and vulnerable adults in businesses required to be registered by CSCI it runs to 19 pages.

 

In my opinion.

 

"If at any time you are solely responsible for the training or supervision for children or vulnerable adults you are likly to need a CRB check. If other current CRB holders are present at all times and it is not regular contact and you are not employed directly by an agency that provides care or support for vulnerable persons you will not require a CRB check."

 

However it is deemed good practice for anyone coming into contact with vulnerable persons to have a CRB check. This means that most care establishments or schools and youth clubs, etc, may insist that you have a CRB check even though it is not required by Law.

It is the responsibility of the employer/Manager to ensure that checks are followed as it could them criminally liable if they allow anyone to work without a CRB check and could leave themselves barred from the industry for life.

 

Jimbo

[Steve_Mitchell 0]

Holding a taxi licence CRB is compulsary.

[EdBray 0]

Steve,

 

I'd have thought living in Merseyside the police were always checking up on you. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/071.gif

 

Regularly stopped on the way home to see if you've got a van full of hubcaps.

[Andy Westcott 0]

I see no point, unless the client specifically asks for it. Such a check offers you no protection from anything, it is simply for the third partys' peace of minds.

 

And no, I've never been asked or subjected to a police check.

[highslayer 0]

QUOTE (JonWhittaker @ Aug 13 2006, 08:38 PM)

Am a part-time police officer so I think I'm checked already http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/tongue.gif Probably a good idea for a kids-entertainer. You can never be too careful these days and if I was arranging a party for one of my kids (not that I have any... yet) I'd be asking if the entertainer was CRB checked. I've seen the nasty people that there are out there.

So when you take your kids to MacDonalds do you insist that the person who serves them is polic-checked? And when they have thier feet measured for shoes, and the assistant helps them try the shoes on - are they police-checked? And the optician and the waiter/ess at pizza hut and so on?

 

Its totally crazy. Firstly you only need to be police-checked if you are left alone with children or have special respoonsibilites for them. Playing music and a few games in a room full of adults hardly contitutes that, not would give any 'paedophile' an opportunity to do anything. I am police-checked for some volunteer work I do, but have never ever been asked by a client if I am.

 

I think this is one of those occasions where some people who have CRB Disclosures see a business opportunity by trying to convince punters that makes them better than those who havent. Blimey - even Childrens Entertainers dont need to be CRB checked lol!

[Invinoveritas 0]

I am CRB checked because I work in a school anyway. If I take a booking for a disco at another school within my LEA I always give my own school as a reference. Works well!

[McCardle 1]

Schools in some areas are now asking deejays as to whether they are crb checked at least i have been asked on a couple of occasions already this year. i accept that it is perhaps a little extreme but in todays society i suppose that it is just a sign of the times in exactly the same way that schools are now little more than prisons with id cards, controlled entry systems, high fences and cameras. i blame the media having nothing better to do than to scare the public into believing that society is far worse than it is and making people so cautious that they become little more than hermits. in my childhood there were just as many risks and no doubt there were just as many paedophiles about but people did not wrap themselves up in cotton wool and barricade themselves from the rest of society and the media had far more interesting things to talk about.

[durbanite 0]

QUOTE (Andy Westcott @ Aug 14 2006, 07:32 PM)

I see no point, unless the client specifically asks for it. Such a check offers you no protection from anything, it is simply for the third partys' peace of minds. And no, I've never been asked or subjected to a police check.

ditto

[Gary 0]

I think that if I was advertising myself for Childrens Discos then I would definately get a police check letter annually, I'd mention it on paperwork, without making too bigger a thing of it.

 

However, currently, I tend to only do about 5 or 6 kids parties a year, and its generally the same children each year - Its very warming when kids who havent seen you for 12 months remember your name.

 

 

[Kingy 0]

Benefits of not doing kids parties I suppose. My wife & daughter have both had to pay for their own checks as they work in a old people's home. £46 a go!!

 

I personally see PLI as being more important and relevant.

[Jimbo55 0]

The home should pay for it!! It is required practice by CSCI the governing body. Without it the home cannot operate.

 

As they have paid is still claimable under their personal tax allowances. Other items may also be claimable, some footwear, hair bands, washing and cleaning of uniforms etc.

 

Jimbo

[bigMCben 0]

I'm a little bit confused. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wacko.gif Is CRB an English thing, because up here in Scotland we have Disclosure (Scotland) checks, where you pays your twenty quid and get a nice certificate listing ALL of your convictions, including traffic offences. I have this because I'm a taxi driver, not because I perform children's discos. There should NEVER be a requirement for this because unless your gig is for 10 children or less, you will always require other adults in the room with you, due to the adult/child ratios, so you are never working alone with the children, therefore no certificate required. Is this the same down south?

 

QUOTE

Am a part-time police officer so I think I'm checked already Probably a good idea for a kids-entertainer. You can never be too careful these days and if I was arranging a party for one of my kids (not that I have any... yet) I'd be asking if the entertainer was CRB checked. I've seen the nasty people that there are out there.

 

Our local community officer went to New York with our local youth group, and as it was a Council run trip, he had to be Disclosure checked, honest http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/omg.gif

[Steve_Mitchell 0]

QUOTE (EdBray @ Aug 14 2006, 02:08 PM)

Steve, I'd have thought living in Merseyside the police were always checking up on you. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/071.gif Regularly stopped on the way home to see if you've got a van full of hubcaps.

http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/071.gif

 

 

Thank you Edward,,very good.

[Jimbo55 0]

CRB is an 'English thing' as Scottish law is different.

 

The CRB check also covers POVA (Protection of Vulnerable Adults) and POCA (Protection of Children Act).

 

The thinking that you have to be a 'pervet' of some discription to be put on the list is a misconception as although it does cover sexual offences, it also covers people who have been responsible for Children Or Vulnerable adults and allowed them to come to harm or put them at risk.

 

So in theory if you have been convicted of a serious motoring offence and put Children or Vulnerable adults at risk or cause them to be injured them you could now be put onto the POVA or POCA list. It would mean that you could no longer work in a caring/support role. Theft, Fraud, ABH, GBH, threatening behaviour etc could also be taken into account if it has allowed children and vulnerable adults to be at risk.

 

The thing is... to be refered to the lists you do not have to be convicted, only accused, and untill a full investigation is carried out and you are cleared.

 

The general public does not yet realise the full impact of the implications of the POVA and POCA lists.

 

The amount of 'regular contact' with children and vulnerable adults is also open to interperetation

 

 

Jimbo

Edited August 23, 2006 by Jimbo55