RobbieD 0 Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I went in to Guildford Sound and Light today, and was surprised to come across a new mixer from Pioneer: The DJM-800!! I only had a few mins to look at it, but it is very similar to the DJM-600 that some us already use, but.....drum roll......it is a fully digital mixer with.....fan fair.......DIGITAL INPUTS AND OUTPUTS!!!!!! Yes, just what I was waiting for!!!! I was expecting Denon to get their first, but no, Pioneer have beaten them to it. Here is a pic: http://www.lilypix.com/photos/data/d1fe173d08e959397adf34b1d77e88d7/947_p52938.jpg Got to go.... Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 before you rush out and get one check out the new ones from denon http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif I think theres a digital one with "900" in the title but garry will be along to tell yo more soon <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Westcott 0 Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 What's all the craze with digital mixers then? (C'mon - help out an old guy here!) As far as I can see, all it gives you is zero headroom on the signal - not good. So what are the real world benefits?? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 The DN-X900 has digital in, and digital out, but isnt digital in the middle, eg: faders, eq, gain are in good'ol analogue, which we're nearly all using already. Digital ins and outs give the best possible link from and to your other devices IF those other devices have digital connections on them. Half the leads, and better audio than all those left/right/red/white analogue leads lurking between all the units. Denon do have a mixer which does the "middle bit" and outputs in pure digital, it's the DN-X1500, which myself and several other DJ United members use. The 1500 has been out for approx 18 months now. Price? £600 or less. It was felt then that few DJs would have the equipment nor the inclination to go totally digital especially when considering the then rare and (still) high costs and lack of (but slowly improving) choice of amps, powered speakers, equalisers, etc, with digital connectivity and processing. The old "purchase-killer" question for any disco gear is, as always, would the audience notice digital amps, digital eq, digital leads, digital this, digital that etc? Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieD 0 Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 QUOTE (Gary @ Mar 11 2006, 09:44 AM) It was felt then that few DJs would have the equipment nor the inclination to go totally digital especially when considering the then rare and (still) high costs and lack of (but slowly improving) choice of amps, powered speakers, equalisers, etc, with digital connectivity and processing. Well almost every quality CD player has digital outputs, and Behringer do a reasonably priced Digital Equaliser and Digital Crossover with built in compressor/limiter. With the addition of Pioneers DJM-800 (or the previous DJM-1000) it is now possible to keep the signal digital from the recording studio, to just before the inputs to your amps, resulting in very in little (if any) loss of quality, and a very low noise floor. And for fans and owners of the DJM-500/600, the DJM-800 should give a noticeable improvement in sound quality over their old mixer. (Sound quality was never a strength of the DJM-500 and 600.) Unless Denon have a digital input version of the DN-X1500 up their sleeves, I will be buying one of these new Pioneer baby's once the price stabilises. (Expect to pay full list price on any new product for the first few months. After that the discounts start to appear.) - Unless I spend my cash on a Bose PAS first! (PAS or DJM-800, PAS or DJM-800? If only I could afford both!) Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 QUOTE (RobbieD @ Mar 11 2006, 10:44 AM) Behringer do a reasonably priced Digital Equaliser and Digital Crossover with built in compressor/limiter. // it is now possible to keep the signal digital from the recording studio, to just before the inputs to your amps, resulting in very in little (if any) loss of quality, and a very low noise floor. Unless Denon have a digital input version of the DN-X1500 up their sleeves, I will be buying one of these new Pioneer baby's once the price stabilises. (Expect to pay full list price on any new product for the first few months. After that the discounts start to appear.) - Unless I spend my cash on a Bose PAS first! (PAS or DJM-800, PAS or DJM-800? If only I could afford both!) Yes, Behringers 2496 range is now here and reasonable price wise. Also, thankfully the recent cd-decks no longer lose certain features when the Digital outs are used. Things are certainly moving in the right direction for DJs looking to go as digital as possible....the audio path "from mouth to mic" and from "speaker to ear" stands little chance of ever being anything other than analog, of course. Finding amps with TRUE digital rather than http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif digital inputs converting straight to analogue before amping the signal, is getting easier now, and slowly getting slightly cheaper too. Does the Bose pas have digital in? Price stability and Pioneer are never two words that go together. Keen & eager purchasers of the CDJ1000 have been "rewarded" with newer purchasers getting a price now less than a half of what they paid. Checking new releases from other manufacturers just before you're about to buy...is wise. Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieD 0 Posted March 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Some more pictures: [http://www.lilypix.com/photos/data/d1fe173d08e959397adf34b1d77e88d7/947_p52939.jpg Notice the seperate control on each channel for Harmonic (pitch shift), Sweep (flanger), (bit) Chrush(er) or Filter. As well as the more traditional effects section on the right which adds Robot (?), Chorus, Roll (sort of stutter loop) and Rev Roll (reverse stutter). Rear panel: http://www.lilypix.com/photos/data/d1fe173d08e959397adf34b1d77e88d7/947_p52937.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
Kingy 0 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Bottom Right hand corner. 100volts, some mistake surely?? Link to post Share on other sites
RichardP 0 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 A Grand RRP... whooah I would have thought you'd really have to have some seriously top notch speakers & amplification to really discern the benefits of a digital mixer. I can't personally see mobile outfits buying this specifically because of the digitial I/O. Lots of other boys toys on there though. Does seem to me that they've designed this mainly with competition to the Denon X1500 in mind. Those effects sound quite tasty - would be quite nice to see Denon pulling their finger out and adding some similar / new, original effects to the X1500... but I won't hold my breath - the USB 'feature' seems only there to incorporate bugfixes rather than actual additional features... grrr http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/188.gif <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieD 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Well my new DJM-800 has just arrived! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/inlove.gif I'm so excited! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/071.gif It's not the most expensive thing I've ever brought, but it probably has the most knobs & lights! The plan now is to run it at home for a few weeks before putting it into my console. Then I'll be selling a well looked after DJM-600 if anyone is interested. (Original box and everything.) Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Nice one Robbie, I expect you to produce a fine demo CD now extolling its vertues! Do I hear the footsteps of the D-brigade approaching? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/laugh.gif Link to post Share on other sites
partychris 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Ive had a DJM 800 for 3 weeks now, its nice but im still a little more favoured to the Denon 1500, has a few better features (ok not fully digital)... But if you havent had a 1500 you would not miss them... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Cant wait to run it up to ableton live !! Had it hooked up to my EFX1000, great fun.. Will be bringing it alone to the next SEDA meeting so people can have a play.. Just one question Robbie, do you find it quite in volume than any other mixer you have had??? Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE (partychris @ Jul 11 2006, 03:31 PM) Ive had a DJM 800 for 3 weeks now, its nice but im still a little more favoured to the Denon 1500, has a few better features Bet one of the things that you're missing the matrix inputs... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/whistling.gif Can I make a request about the DJM-800 demo, or Demo CD. Please, please, please dont demo the wretched Bit Crusher colouring/effect. Its overly distinctive and I was at a place 3 or 4 weeks ago where there was a DJM800 being used (mobile) and blinking bit-crusher was being used one more or less every 3rd track - and you could nearly always predecit when too...eg: about 75% of the way through, right on the instrumental breakdown... Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieD 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE (partychris @ Jul 11 2006, 03:31 PM)Ive had a DJM 800 for 3 weeks now...... Cant wait to run it up to ableton live !!Had it hooked up to my EFX1000, great fun.. Wow Chris, have you got the gear or what? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/notworthy.gif QUOTE (partychris @ Jul 11 2006, 03:31 PM)Just one question Robbie, do you find it quite in volume than any other mixer you have had??? I won't know until I run it up, and unfortunately I won't have time tonight, then I'm away from Thursday until the weekend - so it may be a few days before I can play. I do know that the digital standard is to run the signal at -20dB to give headroom from destructive clipping at a digital 0dB. Therefore connecting the digital output to a CD recorder will give you quiet recordings. But I expect you are referring to the analogue output. - I would have expected Pioneer to boost that up by 20dB after the D to A stage to give an industry standard output. Is it the XLR outputs you find lower than other mixers? I intend to do a review for you good folks once I start taking it out on the road in a few weeks, but I'm sure I can see my way to posting some short mp3's of some effects. Having played with it in the shop, I think the bit crusher is the effect I will use the least. (I'm sure it's great for Hard House or Electro Clash.) But all effects are best used in moderation. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Not enough channels for me.... want a 6 channel version please <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieD 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE (DJ Marky Marc @ Jul 11 2006, 04:13 PM) Not enough channels for me.... want a 6 channel version please That will be the DJM-1000 then (except no effects). Link to post Share on other sites
partychris 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Yes Gary that is certainly one of the bits missing !! i want my matrix back http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif or even a repaired 1500 would be nice !! Robbie i have tried the signal at the fatory setting of -20 and then changed it to each setting just to see, but not much difference, also both outputs XLR (on the road) and normal at home thru external sound card into PC.... I am taking it back to the shop to run it against the shop one to see if i have a duff unit...we will see... even my old DJM300 (still going strong) is a lot louder !... One anoying thing also with the mixer is you can take a loop but you can add any effects to it, whats the point of that !! so you can take a 8 bar loop then change to 4 then 2 then 1 to do a build up, i would then like to add a filter or flanger, but ohhh no...(well not with just the 800 !!, thank good for the efx1000!!).. so it is a little annoying... Why cant Denon and Pioneer get together just for once to make the perfect mixer ??? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE One anoying thing also with the mixer is you can take a loop but you can add any effects to it, whats the point of that !! so you can take a 8 bar loop then change to 4 then 2 then 1 to do a build up, i would then like to add a filter or flanger, but ohhh no...(well not with just the 800 !!, thank good for the efx1000!!).. so it is a little annoying... Can't you loop in the player, and apply filters with the mixer? That's what I do. Link to post Share on other sites
partychris 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 You can but you cant as easy cut the beats from 8 to 4 to 2 to 1 bar...with the press of 1 button as you can with the 800...! Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE (partychris @ Jul 11 2006, 04:38 PM) Why cant Denon and Pioneer get together just for once to make the perfect mixer ??? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif Actually, I'll be quite interested in when the next Pioneer DJ product is released. Link to post Share on other sites
partychris 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Why is that Gary? Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieD 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 QUOTE (partychris @ Jul 11 2006, 03:31 PM) Just one question Robbie, do you find it quite in volume than any other mixer you have had??? Well this evening I'm taking the DJM-600 out of the console, and putting the DJM-800 in its place. (At the same time I'm replacing the CDJ-500S's with Denon DN-S1000.) I've just done a direct comparison of the output levels of the DJM-600 & DJM-800. With the same track playing through both mixers, both reading 0dB on the channel and output faders and both rear panel attenuators at 0dB (no attenuation), the DJM-800's output is around 7-8dB less than the 600. However I have previously set the attenuator on my DJM-600 to around -6dB so that 0dB on the mixers output meter equaled 0dB on the inputs to my Compressor Limiter, so for my use the DJM-800 is only one or two dB down on how I used the older mixer. During this comparison I also noticed that for all the same level settings the headphone volume on the DJM-800 was also much lower. This may be a concern at a gig. At some gigs I would run my 'phones at around twelve o'clock volume on the 600. I need to set the 'phones volume at near 3 o'clock on the 800 for the same volume - not leaving much spare if I should need to turn them up further (quiet intro for example). The DJM-800 is noticeably better sound quality than the 600. But I was surprised to find a much more dramatic difference in sound quality is between the Pioneer CDJ-500S and the Denon DN-S1000 CD players (which I will post more about in a review after a few weeks road use). Link to post Share on other sites
pareshj 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 ahh, if only this mixer was 10" wide, it would make a nice addition to my kit - oh well. Josh www.djspacebar.com Link to post Share on other sites
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